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... However the Bible repeatedly says of the end times to "Watch and Prepare".
Excu - would you share all those repeated passages that say "watch and prepare" for the end times...
I'm interested in that prepare part that goes with watch...
thanks
Hi Dani,
Please read my web page on this subject.
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/scatter...tchfulSheep.htmI admit that there is not much about setting aside foodstuffs in preparing for the tribulation. Perhaps God will use the Holy Spirit to reveal to people in the end times to set aside some provisions and maybe I am completely wrong in my interpretation here. I'm certainly not being dogmatic on this point.
Most of the scriptures say to watch. The analogy of watching to prepare for battle is constantly used. Putting on the whole armour of God is absolutely necessary every day but especially when a concerted attack comes from the enemy which will certainly be occurring at the Tribulation.
Let each man read my interpretation on the wise and foolish virgins and let the Spirit convict him or her as to whether it sounds true or not. Remember though that although this parable is of general value to all Christians down through the ages, it is nevertheless a parable directed specifically to end time events, namely the return of Christ. I am certain that there will be specific messages from this parable for Christians in the end times which have not been necessary or appropriate for Christians down through the ages.
Another one of these apocalyptic parables which was given during the Olivet discourse by Christ immediately after his prophecies of the end of the world is:
Matt 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. 45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; 49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunkenSo there is a season immediately prior the return of Christ where it will be appropriate for those in charge of the household of faith to make sure that the household has food until the Lord returns. Now of course someone here is going to say. "That means the pastor has to feed the sheep from the Word to prepare them for the kingdom of God". Yes of course. That is the general meaning for the Christians over the millenia. Whereas there may be a specific message to certain end time christians to take a more specific and literal interpretation of this parable as the Holy Spirit leads them.
Godsloft:
Good use of scripture I admit.
Here is some more scripture.
Proverbs 30:24 There be four things which are little upon the earth, but they are exceeding wise: 25 The ants are a people not strong, yet they prepare their meat in the summer;
Prov 6:6 Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise: 7 Which having no guide, overseer, or ruler, 8 Provideth her meat in the summer, and gathereth her food in the harvest. 9 How long wilt thou sleep, O sluggard? when wilt thou arise out of thy sleep? 10 Yet a little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to sleep: 11 So shall thy poverty come as one that travelleth, and thy want as an armed man.
Squirrels also store away nuts in their little hollows. God made ants did he not? and he made squirrels did he not? So why can squirrels and ants store away for a time of want and people cannot?
Now does the ant think about putting away food for the winter. No he just does it because that's what ants do. And that's what people always did too, stocking up and putting things away for the winter when the land was not producing food. We don't do that anymore because we have outsourced this stockpiling to food companies and other profit making institutions. Does a man plant a crop and only take what he needs for today and leaves the rest to rot in the field. Does a man plant a vine and eat only the fruit which grows that day and let the rest rot, or does he preserve it in bottles and make it into wine. Even the Lord above plants a crop of men and harvests it at the end of the earth. He also plants a vine in Judae so that he may enjoy the fruits of it for eternity. Cannot man do likewise? The point is we do these things not out of anxiety over the future but because that is what we do as wise stewards of the bounty that God gives us.
Lazy people live from one day to the next. As Christians however we are taught not be lazy sluggards but to work. When we work God blesses us bountifully with more than we need for today. So what are we going to do with this surplus. Put it in a big barn so that we can be lazy and frivolous tomorrow and spend it on our lusts like your rich man in Luke 12. No we are to be rich toward God and man, giving alms where we see a need, giving to the work of the church, putting aside some provision for our families for a period of hardship, (the winter of the church perhaps).
Remember too that my advice was not given to battlers who are struggling to put food on the table. It was given to men who have so much bounty that they are putting their money into investment accounts. I was pointing out that a few survival supplies would be a worthwhile investment. I say that also to people who have money left over for DVD's, chips, couches, TV sets, DVD players, visits to the movies, eating out every week, wardrobes full of fashionable clothes etc. Those things will be cast aside and trampled on in the day of trouble when you would trade all that you own for a few cups of wheat.
Matt 8 was not suggesting that Christ did not even have a hole to live in or a bed to lie down in. He was describing the fact that he was alienated from the world and society. A sojourner, wanderer. His kingdom was not of this world. He had no place or stake in this world. This is the attitude we should share and consider when we love the things of this world and go buying them for our enjoyment and pleasure so that we will feel comfortable and at home here. Surely this is the very thing I have been advocating we should not do. Not putting stuff into investment accounts but rather be putting things aside which will help us to avoid the temptations of the antichrist and enable us to help and serve others when and if times get hard. This demonstrates our faith and belief in the prophecies of the Bible, namely that all of this world and all material things will eventually dissolve into flame.
So what if the harvest does not come in and we are unable to set anything aside, or thieves come and steal our stockpile stuff, will the Lord let us die? No he will feed us with manna from heaven as he fed those people from the loaves and fishes story. But what about the lazy man who spends his summer on the couch munching on chips pinning his wishes and prayers on being whisked away from it all if anything bad happens? What of the lazy man who has sat in his couch for the whole harvest and has not assisted the labourers in the harvest. Should he receive a share along with the labourers when times get tight?
I believe that those who are counted worthy to escape from the tribulation are those who see the storm clouds gathering on the horizon and anticipate what they will need to weather the storm. Naturally faith and trust in God are things which we must gather in store for dark times but is it wrong as we lay aside spiritual things to also lay aside physical things. Are we to say that if we see winter coming it is alright to lay aside physical provisions during the harvest but that it is wrong when we see the Great Tribulation coming to lay aside physical provisions? But if we are watching the skies in the East and we see the storm clouds gather will we do nothing? Will we not do whatever is necessary to escape? Perhaps in that day the correct action will be to flee into the mountains and leave all your supplies back at home. But then perhaps the right course will be to bunker down at home with our survival supplies. At least you will have options and you will make choices.
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
When a man goes to sea in a ship does he leave all his life rafts back on the shore because the Lord will save him from the waves? When a man goes flying does he neglect to check his parachute because the Lord will save him from gravity? When a man goes on a 3 month sea voyage does he pack food sufficient for the journey or does he anticipate that the Lord will feed him manna? The answer to all of these questions is that he will prepare ahead of time for potential mishaps. But then if his ship sinks and he is forced into his life raft he has faith in God to rescue him. When his plane begins to crash he has faith in God that his parachute will open and he will land safely. When the pirates overun the ship and take the supplies of food he has faith that God will sustain him till he can get more food.
As I pointed out in the last post, there is a spiritual dimension to this. If we are tempted out of the needs of the flesh to take the mark of the Beast then we will lose not only our physical lives but our eternal souls as well.
Mr 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt. And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, Simon, sleepest thou? couldest not thou watch one hour? Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weakI know we would all imagine that our faith is so strong and our spirit so ready that we will be able to resist in the time of trial. However the flesh is weak, when temptation comes that cache of wheat is going to come in very handy . Just before Christ left this world his disciples were sleeping. It appears that just before he returns his disciples will be sleeping as well Matt 25. At least the wise ones though had some provisions stored up for the night to see them through.