VISION OF THE BRIDE AND THOSE LEFT BEHIND IN CHURCH by Frank Molver 3/9
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Frank R Molver (9 March 2007)
"vision of bride and those left behind in church"
from fivedoves today...
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A Russian christrian friend related this vision to me recently. A friend of his was in a church service. Suddenly he had a vision of people in the church rising into the air to meet Jesus. As the people rose they all began to form into the shape of a bride the was going to meet the bridegroom Jesus. He noticed that he was not in the group that arose. The ones that rose to become the bride where a minority, the poor and less thought of. He asked God why he was not going up also. The Lord told him it was because he was argueing. Though he was right theologicaly in his positions or arguments he was in a state of hostility or anger and thought less of others who he differed from, all symptom of pride.

There have been times of debate re this issue here. All I can tell you is be ready, get rid of strife the Lord told us to be ready as in the 5 wise virgins. You can debate all you want. I would not want to get stuck here just because I held stubbornly to a point in a debate. We all must make sure our hearts are right.

God bless
frank

I have a friend who has a chinese christian friend who went to church and had a vision where he saw a bride rising into the sky to be with the Lord. My chinese friend of a friend noticed that his pastor wasn't coming up too and wanted to know why. The Lord said It was because he knew that peril was coming upon the flock and that he did not warn them of the false doctrine of the rapture because he was worried about encountering resistance. Therefore his flock despaired when the tribulation came and they were not prepared and took the mark of the beast. The Lord said to my friend of a chinese friend of his pastor that the blood of his flock was on his head because he failed to warn them of danger. Therefore he was thrust out of the kingdom for not guarding the flock and protecting them with valour against the wolves that he allowed into the church.

When I consider your Russian christrian friends vision and my friends chinese friends vision I come to the following interpretation. That contending for the faith for the sake of the welfare of the sheep is good and that debating about disputable matters or vain questions is wrong. Let each man with the wisdom of the Holy Spirit discern which is which. Let each man correct his brother with all lowliness of mind, esteeming the other better than himself.

0And if any man opposes the doctrine of the church and proclaim heresy in its midst and will not cease on several warnings, let him be pronounced anathema and ejected from the church, lest that little bit of leaven does leaven the entire church as we most assuredly see today in the modern western church which values consensus above biblical truth.

Several months ago l had a vision of a small group of people standing together talking in church. I watched as women's bag opened and a dark ball came out and floated across the room. (I knew it was a crystal ball) Some reached out to catch it but quickly moved it along like a hot potato.. I've since seen a certain teaching come to pass. ..Starting with one ...but quickly spreading and leavening unclean hands in it's wake.

Is this saying that any pastor, or Christian for that matter who believes in the Rapture will not be saved? If so, I would dismiss that vision completely. Christians are saved by faith in Christ not by what we believe concerning the rapture.

THE REVELATION OF THE BELOVED!
Isabel Allum ~ 2006-07-27


Throughout the years I have had many visitations and all have been amazing, however, this is the most powerful and most impacting one I have ever had. At the end of the spring of this year, I had a visitation the "Beloved". Remember Him, from the Songs of Solomon? It was amazing. Many many years ago, about 20 years ago, I met the Beloved and it was one of the most impacting experiences of my life. He used to come and visit me regularly for about a year or more. It was amazing!!! Then it stopped but He told me why it would stop. Then recently I was soaking in my living-room and He came. Oh I can't even explain what it was like. He is so amazing and incredible!!! He is altogether lovely and takes the splendor away from everything. One look at Him and everything else in life pales in comparison. One glance at Him and one is crazy "in-love" forever. One glance from Him and you become so lovesick for Him that it hurts to have to wait for his return... for the one who is ALTOGETHER BEAUTIFUL!!!
He came back and poured his love on me again as He used to back them... He set my heart on fire in a way I can't explain. He came for two reasons: One was to encourage me on a personal decision I made for Him and his Kingdom, and the second reason was to tell me that, "He is about to be revealed to the Bride". The Bride has been in preparation for Him but she has never seen Him as He is. A few on earth have had glimpses of Him, but very soon there will be a corporate revelation of Him but only to the Bride, not to the church. To the Bride, who is among the church. To the five wise virgins who have chosen to keep the oil of relationship and intimacy for their lamps. Very soon, people will start talking about meeting the Beloved and they will be awe struck and lovesick for Him, in a way that is beyond what can be imagined. Others will notice the difference and will literally say, "Who is that you talk about?" He is coming to meet the "five wise virgins", his precious Bride. He is their/our reward and very soon the door will open-up and He, the Beloved, will be revealed as He is to those who seek after Him and his heart in intimacy and not after the "experiences they can get". He said, "the wedding is near, but I will be revealed to Bride before it takes place". Then He said, "Go and awaken the people and their hearts because there is still time to "buy the oil" and become the Bride. The time is short, very short, but there is still time". Many have taken for granted that being in the church makes them the Bride but it is not so, the ten virgins were together, but only 5 met the Bridegroom. The Beloved is already walking in our mist and those who have the oil of intimacy in their lamps will see Him.

Then a week later week Ivan and I were talking about Him as Ivan too has received the same revelation (at the same time but separately), and his presence just came as we shared about Him. It came a point that it felt so intense and we needed to just be with Him. Ivan left to go upstairs and I went to the kitchen. At that moment He came to visit me again, and it was more powerful than the time before. Suddenly, I felt his presence and his love, then I could feel his eyes looking at me, and then I saw Him. He was surrounded by glory and was stunning. As I looked at Him I heard a voice that said, "Isabel, what does He look like? Can you describe Him? I looked at Him and tried to find the words to describe Him and then realized that "He is indescribable". I realized that He couldn’t be described by physical appearance because He is so much more than that. (I remember his eyes, his hair, his built but it is who He is, that impacted me). I tried to remember how the girl described Him in the book of Solomon, and at that moment, I realized that He was/is different to me. He is different to all who meet Him. It is so personal and intimate that it cannot be explained in a simple manner. I heard myself say, “his eyes are like the depth of the seven seas and carry the depth and calmness of the deepest ocean”. “His body is like the tallest oak tree in the fields, so strong that anyone can lean on it and find refuge in it. His arms as like the longest and fullest branches that spread wide in the fields giving shade and rest to all…” At that moment for the first time in my life I understood the book of the Songs of Solomon and I knew exactly why she described Him as she did. Now I read that book with such a different revelation and I know exactly “who she is talking about”.

As I tried to find a way to describe Him, He raptured my heart. I felt this intensity of Him in my heart as if a hand had gone in and grabbed my heart, and I literally lost my breath and had to gasp for air, then I realized who and what He really is, and I knew that He is the all in all. I knew at that moment that I needed Him more than the air to breath. He is the air I breathe. He is the life I live. He is the strength that holds me safe. He is peace. He is love. He is fullness and splendor. He is all and at that moment looking into his eyes, I knew my life was in Him. I remember that my life and all it holds and the whole universe ceased to exist as He stood there. At that moment, I felt this desperate need to be IN HIM (place me like a seal over your arm..). I can't explain it, but it hurt. I felt lovesick beyond words and needed to breath Him, as He became my breath of air. I needed to feel the beating of his heart in me; I knew I could not exist without being consumed in Him. I stood there looking at Him and being loved in a way I had never felt before and I held onto the kitchen counter not to fall, because my body was weak, but I did not want to lose sight of Him. That splendor and beauty was more than I could stand. Oh, how many times I have sang those songs about Him, not knowing what they really meant. Now I know, and I can truly say, "my ears had heard of Him but now my eyes have seen", and I will never be the same. I told Him over and over, "You cannot leave this time, because I cannot live anymore without you". This experience lasted for what seemed to be a long time, it took a while for me to recover and go back to “normal life". Then the next day driving home I thought of Him and it happened again, and has continued, as my heart feels so connected with Him. I am by Beloved's and He is mine!!!!! He changes everything when He comes no wonder He IS so costly!

The coming of the Beloved brought great change into our lives and our home. There was a powerful release of love among us. The love between Ivan and I increased greatly. We also noticed a tremendous change in our daughter, who is a teenager. We adopted her from Guatemala at 7 years of age, and she had many issues in her heart and still had some "walls around" especially with me. Right after the Beloved came, all the walls came down and this amazing freedom and love began to flow in her and between us all and has become permanent. Things in our home and life were as good, but his coming transformed us and made it even better. I cannot explain the strength of the love that is in us now, surely love is stronger than death. There is also a newer and stronger rest and a trust in Him that carries us through. His love is perfect and casts out all fears indeed!

At our church, we have been pressing in for intimacy and as result; we are having visitations and smell his fragrance corporately in prayer/worship meetings, and in soaking. Suddenly, usually as time tarries, this strong smell of wine (red deep and fragrant wine) fills the room and comes in waves, each wave gets stronger and stronger, then as this happens, the Spirit falls on the people and amazing things are happening. It is so strong and real that everyone who is there smells and experiences it. Recently the end of the Healing night, the last 6 of us were there talking about Him and the fragrance came stronger (each time is stronger), oh his presence, then, this incredible smell of fresh baked bread, as if the loaf was there in front of us, right out of the oven, then the Spirit of the Lord fell on us in a very powerful and deep way. It was more intense than we had experienced together before. There is such depth and intimacy in these visitations and all who are present at the time smell and experience it. He tells us important things during these times, but He loves on us and we fall more in love with Him. However, the expectation of Him bursting through is so strong that we are literally almost expecting Him to physically appear like when He visited the disciples after resurrection. It feels that way... perhaps He might...

For a while now the Father has been calling us to intimacy and those who have listened and are pressing into it, selling all they have for the “Pearl of Great Value”, are entering into this supernatural realm of his existence, in a realm and a place where we get transformed and taken to live from glory to glory as we see his face...
What a great season we are in and the best is sure yet to come. Remember, "the time is short, but there is still time".

http://www.ivan-isabel.com/articles.php

There was no vision of course. Surely you could tell that I was being facetious. The point I was making is that there are some very important issues which must be fought over to ensure that heresy does not overtake the church.

I never said that everybody who believes in a pretrib rapture will be lost. However it stands to reason that those who believe they may have to go through the tribulation will be keener to prepare for that eventuality than those who believe they will be whisked away out of their lounge chairs. Those who prepare themselves will be much less likely to succumb to the deceptions and temptations of the antichrist and far less likely to take the mark of the beast.

So let me ask you a question. Do you believe that unworthy saints who get left behind when lots of christians mysteriously go missing and yet repents and does not take the mark of the beast is condemned because he missed out on the rapture? Any vision or teaching that suggests this should be rejected out of hand

Lois...

How about being wisked away because we've overcome...

Let me tell you what l'm sorry for Lois...

I'm sorry for myself that l am falsely accused. That l've sacrificed phileo for obedience...

That lies are spoken in order to shift the blame.

I'm sorry when people who hurt others by their inadvertent actions shift the blame when are called to the mat for it. I'm sorry when they strike back with the strength of the serpent with lying accusations and my shield wasn't up in the face of Phileo...

My armour's heavy...but if l don't wear it l will faint and not stand.

I've been fainting all weekend but God came to my rescue and strengthened me.

Should l be sorry for trying to do what is right according to my conscience?

Clever wording doesn't accuse me. I'm not perfect in my presentation but neither are any of you.

Also...I'm not angry or in unforgiveness because l made a decision a long time ago not to hold those who have sinned against me accountable as the Lord has not condemned me.

I forgive you.

JESUS COMMAND/LOVE YOUR ENEMIES
All I can tell you is be ready, get rid of strife the Lord told us to be ready
as in the 5 wise virgins. We all must make sure our hearts are right.

Sorry, I couldn't. There are some Christians when they disagree with some doctrine, are quick to claim that it came from the pits of Hell, or things to that effect.

Ex said:


However it stands to reason that those who believe they may have to go through the tribulation will be keener to prepare for that eventuality than those who believe they will be whisked away out of their lounge chairs.

My flesh wants to speak but l'm reigning it in...Like l have said so many times before on this forum.

Knowing Christ is coming to take us out is what gives us the desire to be ready...Not sitting around in a "lounge chair" waiting to get a spanking so as to be forced to do it. See l can turn that ignorant statement around on you ex...just like you so cleverly took a slap at me.

We don't know the day or the hour... so be ready in obedience to the word. I'm not sitting around waiting. I'm engaged with the Lord and am serving and have been serving for years. And you know what...In the midst of my service l am still looking up.

I'll be wisked away BECAUSE l'm ready!

I do not understand why people see the tribulation as a "spanking"? It is the time of greatest triumph for God's people. Its the time of the latter rain, of great anointing, of seeing the power of God . He will arise and His enemies will be scattered.
Somewhere the picture got distorted. Nothing happened to Noah during the 40 days of rain(testing) because he was in God's will.
The only people that must be in fear are those who are OUT of His will (Word)
Please stop calling the tribulation the Wrath of God,as it is REALLY scripturally incorrect and confusing. The wrath comes after the tribulation..or"time of testing"


The church will be fed in her time of testing. With Manna.

She will be fed the Word in her time of testing. Then she will live for ever....the Bread from Heaven (the Word/Jesus) brings life eternal.

The church is in desperate need of feeding. She has been Word-starved for 2000 years.

Oh ha C...the church hasn't been word starved for 2000 years....
Think about what a lie of hell that is.

His word will not return void...

People have been hearing and saved for 2000 years. It's the ones who had their ears closed that aren't hearing. They will be tested with all their learning..After the ones who heard and did according to the word are gone.

A spanking turns rebellious children around that's why. That's what God wants...to turn people around.

While l believe it will be the greatest revival the world has ever seen l also believe it will be a combination of two things that produce this revival...The reality of the rapture and tribulation.

Sorry I am not going to go with this. I have seen the people here in SA who follows this movement. It is all now the running after the experience and the Word is left behind. Words like " you do not have to test it, just accept it" is floating around. There are those that have taken this even further and they are now into the most awful sin: they have moved into Eros love with Jesus. Shocking but true. Their pressing for "intimacy" has just become that. Very intimate. Not agape..its moving in phileo and going to Eros.
Every spiritual hair of mine stands on end. It grieves me in a way that I cannot tell you.

Beware of this new "intimacy" with God. Pressing in to Him.
Its FULL of deception and not scriptural. Its taking people into a one on one experience with who knows what.
Not all visions of the Lord is HIM!!! Have you read the book "Heaven is real" What a load of utter junk! This woman meets a Jesus who does not even know scripture. Time and again he comes to her. They look at each others feet and laugh because his is so much bigger that hers. He comes dressed for Christmas because its his birthday! I tell you, deception is out there. The Word is our safety...DO NOT go beyond what is written!!

Look at Brownsville. Another evil is sprouting out of the same root.
Now jewels are falling into the laps of his "beloved"
When I was still unsaved, I had a good word for this.

I am really against this . It is a deception and has taken the Lord's people into a dimension that He never intended for them to go. It comes from God(He is allowing it) because He is busy sending a strong delusion. If our hearts are really after Him, we will not run after signs. HE(The Word) is our ONLY truth and manifestation of Him.

When Jesus has appeared , it has always been relating to scripture.
C

JESUS AS "LOVER"??
by Andrew Strom

Is there a problem with a "Romantic Lover" Jesus?

ABOUT THE "ROMANCING JESUS" MOVEMENT:
What does the term "Passion for Jesus" mean to you? Would it surprise you to learn that whole Christian movements are now using it to mean a kind-of "eros" love for Jesus - a 'passion' for Him similar to what an earthly husband and wife have for each other? (From the word "eros" we ultimately get the word 'erotic'). And what does the term "Intimacy with Jesus" mean to you? Would it surprise you to learn that many are now using it to mean sensual "romantic" encounters with Jesus - with Him as the Bridegroom and them as the 'Bride'?
You may think that such unscriptural practices must be out on the "fringe" somewhere. Surely they cannot be part of mainstream Christianity? Well, look around you, because this stuff is now everywhere. I live very close to one of the world's largest and most influential prayer centers here in Kansas City - and it has been a major source of this "Jesus as Romantic Lover" teaching for many years. And now it is all around the world. At this center you will find hundreds of young men and women who will tell you about being "ravished" for Jesus, "kissing" Jesus and 'swooning' in His arms, etc. Their entire understanding of "WHO GOD IS" and their relationship with Him is being shaped by this teaching. -And it is an utter twisting of Scripture.
Why is it important to have a right concept of "WHO GOD IS"? Why does it matter so much? Well, this one thing shapes everything else about our faith and our relationship with the Lord. At the heart of a lot of cults and deceptions is a fundamental mis-apprehension of the true character and nature of God - ie. "Who He is - How we approach Him". It really does affect EVERYTHING.
Now, imagine that there is a new doctrine that re-invents our very understanding of God - a doctrine that sweeps the world and catches up many young people. So, is this new doctrine based on a careful exegesis of the New Testament, you ask? -No! To your surprise you find that it is largely based on "spiritualizing" the SONG OF SOLOMON. Yes, that's right. An entire re-inventing of our relationship with God based not on the New Testament, but on Solomon's love-poetry about the body and breasts and comeliness of one of his 700 wives. -Wonderful poetry to be sure, but what kind of basis is that for such a drastic change in our basic beliefs?
(So is there no benefit to be gained from an 'allegorical' understanding of the Song Of Solomon? -Certainly there is! Hudson Taylor and others used it this way. But that is not the point I am making. The real issue is this:- Should we re-invent our entire understanding of "Who God is" and how we approach Him - to fit in with a tiny book of semi-erotic poetry from the Old Testament? Should this become our dominant understanding of God?)
As history shows us again and again, to the equal degree that we lose our grasp of the real character and nature of God - to this same degree we will lose genuine Christianity. You cannot have the true New Testament Faith if you have lost the true New Testament Jesus. -Which is why it is so serious when people say that in the West today we have invented a kind-of "American Jesus" to suit our self-centered, "me"-focused lifestyle. They point out that today you mostly hear of a Jesus who exists to make you "happy" rather than holy, a Jesus who is always a "friend" but never a Judge, a Jesus who does not any longer hate sin or demand repentance, but only wants you prosperous and 'blessed'. This is a Jesus that utterly suits our selfish Western mindset, but is found nowhere in the Bible.
And the new "Jesus As Lover" doctrine is just another twist in the ongoing tale of modern Christians distorting the character and nature of God.
Does Jesus love us? Of course He does - more than words can tell. And are we to love Him? Of course! -With all our heart, mind, soul and strength! But does this mean that we are to approach Him with a sensual "romantic" love, like some adolescent schoolgirl, "swooning" and smooching with our 'lover' Jesus? Is that what God's love means? Are we to exchange 'agape' for emotional "eros" and act like Jesus's "girlfriend" here on earth? (-Men as well as women?) God forbid!
Of course we know that in Scripture the corporate body of Christ (particularly at the end of the age) is described as the "Bride" of Christ. But isn't it obvious that this is talking about the 'CORPORATE' Body - not individual Christians? Are we each to become Jesus's little "girlfriends" here on earth - or is it the "WHOLE BODY" that is to one day be the Bride of Christ? -Clearly it is the latter.
The effect of this doctrine on young men is particularly distressing. To describe it as "effeminate" is quite an understatement. As it is, the modern church is already known for being an "anti-masculine" zone, with its flower displays, pink walls, mauve carpets, emotion- laden music, etc. A lot of commentators point to this when discussing the low attendance of men in our churches. But this new doctrine takes this theme to undreamt-of depths.
Can you imagine zealous praying young men who relate to Jesus (ie. another MALE) as a "lover" whom they kiss and 'swoon' over? Can you imagine what happens when this becomes their basic approach to God? -And this is just the beginning of the gender- bending weirdness that is starting to become "normal" in this movement. (Some are in such deception that they even have experiences of "Jesus" kissing them on the mouth, etc. The movement itself warns against "sensual encounters" but their very teaching leads directly to this kind of thing. Deceiving spirits are always super-active in this kind of environment. Where do you think the famed 'incubus' and 'succubus' originate from?)
The ironic thing is that a lot of the people who are into this doctrine claim to be "seeking Revival". They really think that this is the kind of 'intimacy' that God desires. It is greatly influencing the modern 'Prayer' movement, the Prophetic movement and the 'Worship' movement (-which explains the recent rash of songs with "Song of Solomon" type themes: "I kiss you with the kisses of my mouth", "Take me into your chamber", etc).
I find their talk of "Revival" particularly ironic, because I have studied Revival for many years, and I am aware that all the old Revivalists prayed to a God who is very different from what is being presented here. -And their understanding of "WHO GOD IS" was utterly crucial to their obtaining Revival. They prayed to a God of holiness and majesty and awe - a God of glory who hates sin, yet sent His son to die for sinners.
The God that the old Revivalists prayed to was the "throne room" God that Isaiah described- "I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple... And one cried to another and said, Holy, holy, holy is the LORD of hosts: The whole earth is full of his glory. And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke." (Is 6:1-5).
This is the "throneroom" God who is described again in Revelation chapter 4 - where we are told that the four beasts cry, "Holy, holy, holy" day and night without ceasing, and the 24 elders cast down their crowns before His throne - over and over again. It is "HOLINESS" that is the chief characteristic of God! No other characteristic is ever repeated three times together in the Bible - let alone over and over, day and night! -"HOLY, HOLY, HOLY."
And actually, the full title of the book of Revelation is the "Revelation of Jesus Christ". So in other words, it is a 'revealing' of who Jesus is and what He is really like. And when John (the 'beloved' disciple) first sees the glorified Christ in Revelation 1, we are told that such is His terror-inducing holiness and glory that John fell at his feet "as though dead." -This is the true Jesus - as He really is.
In every true Revival, it is the God of majesty who reveals himself. For Revival is the "Glory of God" coming down. It is His very 'throne room' presence coming down amongst men. Thus, even His own children should approach Him with awe. And if we do not pray to this God, then we should not expect Revival at all. -That is one of the basic lessons of Revival history. -We must pray to the 'RIGHT GOD' if we are going to see true Revival.
Incidentally, the 'Bride of Christ' in Revelation is described as a 'holy city' - a "new Jerusalem" coming down from heaven. (Rev 21). So it is clearly a 'CORPORATE' entity that exists at the end of the age. -Not some individualized "girlfriend of Jesus" in the here-and-now.
It is a very serious thing to tamper with our understanding of 'WHO GOD IS' and how we relate to Him. In a lot of ways it is like preaching "another Jesus". -It really is that bad. If you hear phrases today like 'Lovesick for Jesus', 'Bridal Paradigm', "Bridal intimacy", "Inflamed heart", 'Romancing', "Ravished", 'Fascinated', etc, then you can be pretty sure that you are being exposed to this deceptive doctrine. I believe it is serious error, and I urge you to flee from it as far as you can, my friends.
READERS REPLY TO THE ABOVE ARTICLE:
"D--" writes:
I ran into this a few weeks ago at our home fellowship. A woman whom I see to be very Spirit filled, was talking to us at the dinner table about being taken into the "upper chambers" where Jesus laid her down on a bed of roses (because He is the Rose of Sharon He can do that, she said), and that He made love to her. She described to me this whole scene as if it were out of a romance novel. The thought of Jesus actually making love to me made me sick... I was actually disheartened, grieved and shocked that she was talking about this. What gets me is that her friends who were with her all agreed as if this was sound biblical doctrine.
[NOTE: The above email is not from Kansas City - but rather from elsewhere in the USA. It is a good example of what is happening as this doctrine spreads around the world. Please note that the prayer center in Kansas City does NOT teach in any way that we should have sexual or 'physical' encounters with Jesus. However, their teaching certainly lays the groundwork for it - and is the ultimate cause of it, in my opinion. Their claim is that it is "immature" believers who are misusing and distorting their teaching.
Well yes - of course! But they are actually preaching it to thousands of "immature" believers themselves! In fact, this seems to be their "target" audience. The hundreds of young people at their own prayer center boast an average age of 22 years, reportedly. So yes - a whole lot of "immature" believers are being greatly influenced by this doctrine. Tell me then - whose fault is this? Is it right for the KC leadership to simply wash its hands of the evil effects that this doctrine is having around the world? Isn't this actually the "fruit" of this teaching? -Isn't it producing "bad fruit" wherever it goes?]
"J----" writes:
I just went to a ladies retreat two weeks ago and the theme was this same "lover Jesus" as portrayed in a book they used called, "With an Everlasting Love"... It was so Godless and selfish and full of "eros", putting thoughts and feelings in whoever reads it that certainly did not bring glory to God... I now have the opportunity to confront the pastor's wife about this teaching that literally every woman fell for (except me!) and was "wooed" by their sensuality as women and the need for love, that they sucked it right up.
"R---" writes:
I moved here to KC 2 years ago to attend [the Prayer Center]... I have been so confused by the whole up-sweep of the "Bridal Paradigm" and ravished heart of Jesus and Song of Solomon. I cannot relate to Jesus as romantic lover, nor do I want to!! I am trying to have clean thoughts and a pure heart. I want a Godly husband to be that for me, to model Christ's love and headship. All my friends tell me, "Jesus is your husband - let Him be your first love and your provider". As if I should shun men and give up on the idea of marriage.
The Editor of a Prophetic Newsletter - who follows the whole movement closely - writes:
I too have been concerned about this for a while. In particular I have seen much written about intimacy without any reference to obeying the revealed will of God. Jesus said, "If you love me, you will obey my commands." The intimacy emphasis is not just out of balance, it is dangerously soulish, promising emotional experiences and opening up the way to deceiving spirits if pursued too far.
"C---" writes:
What's amazing is how the presence of this teaching is like yeast. For a few years I was among believers who had absorbed 'bridal paradigm' teaching out of KC. It had a weird way of rubbing off. Even though I'd never even encountered it myself directly, for awhile I'd unwittingly absorbed some of it & had some dreams I now know came from unclean spirits. Thankfully my discernment antennaes began picking up on & rejecting the unholy nature of all this. Like many such excesses, it's the mixture that results when deception is mingled with the pure revelation of the Spirit that's so very, very deadly.
"L---" writes:
There is a strange message behind this Bridal Paradigm. -It was shown at the CALL in Kansas City. I was there. I witnessed this. There was a call to all those young people who were in attendance at this KC gathering and a few older - to pledge a marriage covenant right then that night to be MARRIED to Christ.
There was a Marriage Canopy held up for a marriage procession as hundreds marched under it as to become covenantly married to Christ. They made it seem so righteous and holy - So - many threw away their discernment and followed the leaders - forgetting that the marriage actually takes place in heaven at the marriage supper of the Lamb.
CBN NEWS REPORT - JAN 6, 2002:
"THE CALL" IN KANSAS CITY: A Marriage Covenant with Jesus.
By Wendy Griffith, CBN News Reporter.
Some 20,000 mostly young people packed the Kansas City Convention Center on New Year's Eve for a wedding ceremony unlike any other... as each person who came embarked on a marriage covenant with the Bridegroom of Heaven... From noon until midnight they danced and sang, fasted and prayed, and got ready to get married to Jesus.
"There's going to be a wedding and God is raising up friends of the Bridegroom to prepare the church, there's going to be a wedding!"
One by one, thousands of men and women, young and old, made their vows and walked under the prayer shawl symbolizing their commitment to Jesus.
[A COMMENTATOR NOTES: The huppah is in fact an integral part of a binding WEDDING CEREMONY between man and woman; therefore what these young people were doing was getting married - but to whom? The Bible tells us that the marriage of the Lamb takes place "in heaven" and only at the Day of Redemption when all believers are gathered in. It does not take place on earth as a "preparation" for the Lord's coming].
Continuing the CBN Report...
"Stewart Greaves, a 30-year-old, said, "I really feel like the Lord is calling young people to fall madly in love with Him. I've always felt that the difference between religion and relationship is intimacy with Jesus..."
Here in Kansas City, there has already been a tremendous focus on the bridal love of Jesus... where for three and a half years, a team of prophetic singers, intercessors and others have held 24-hour-a-day praise and worship focusing on Jesus as the bridegroom.
[-END of NEWS REPORT].

FROM a BOOK that is Required Reading at the School of this Kansas City prayer center:
"He [God] has given Himself to both the exhilarations and the woundings of a lovesick heart. When He gazes upon me, He sees through the eyes of love and desire. He comes before me and says, 'I am a Man in love. I am a God that burns with desire, and I have set My affections on you. I am an all-consuming fire of love, and you are the inheritance that My Father has promised me. Will you receive My love?'" (Pg 57).
"O Gaze Eternal,
How penetrating are Your Fires
Rushing through my darkest places
With the burning streams of Desire
Leaving me naked, purged and bare
... Yet embraced...
You take hold of my weakest places
And kiss them with Your mercy
Lifting up my low grounds
With your mighty love so holy..." (Pg 52).
"She lifted her arms wide to the Lord and said with all of her strength and her love, 'Enjoy me. Right here, right now, in my absolute weakness, enjoy me.'" (Pg 84).

[NOTE: The above book goes on and on in a similar vein for 200 pages. We remind you again that this is an officially recommended publication at this Kansas City prayer center, with a Foreword by the LEADER of the movement himself. It is "Required Reading" for the young people at their ministry School.
When they talk about a Bridal "Paradigm" - what do they mean? Well, a 'paradigm' is a new mindset or "world-view". These people are now viewing Jesus and Christianity through an entirely new set of lenses, so to speak - ie. Through this 'BRIDAL' Paradigm. -For many, that is now their dominant understanding of Jesus Christ.]

We don't run after signs...but they follow those that believe...according to the gifting.

When l first read what you posted C l thought you were saying that was your experience in church

EEGads! I'm thinking? Well..what does this do for the lost world? You smell bread and wine and get more in Love...does it produce fruits of service or do you just bring more people to church to smell bread and wine?

I am bringing this forward, I think you missed it: This is being Word-starved Miki:

There are a lot of weird movements that go around...clucking and so on...What does that have to do with the last 2000 years?

There have been sound Biblical teachers ever since Paul and Barnabas...Strange teachings too.

Whether we are pre mid or post is ok with me. I believe it's pre but so what...You believe it's post and it defines nearly your entire theology...It's not like that for me.

We don't get weird teachings in my church...It's just regular people becoming better Christian's..making more Christians in vibrant community for the good of the world...

I do not think that you really want me to give you a history lesson in church history , do you?

If you are in a Word based church that functions according to the rules laid down in the Bible , that teaches the Gospel and moves in the power of God, then you are one of the lucky ones.

Its has not been the case for the majority of so called Christians out there.The Bible teaches us that it will be so in the last days. 2That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Do you think these people that the Lord talks about is Word fed?

Do you think that during the "dark ages" (note: lack of light..ye are the light of the world) there was an abundance of Word?
Do yo know that what we today know about tongues and prophecy, ..the gifts , started again in the early 1900's? A mere 100 years of Word returning. There were small fires burning throughout history...as always: a remnant !
But I am not talking about the remnant, I am talking of the HUGE mass of people calling themselves Christians and living not in the Word.

Do you know why I know all this: because I walked that "Christian" road myself for 30 years. I called myself by His name, but I lived my life MY way...like the song: I did it MYYYYYYY way.
I lived in sin with somebody and I have a lot of pastors that buy my work for resale. They came to my house to buy my work, but not one of them said: C. you are on your way to hell boy.Get out of sin and repent and get into line with the Word of God.
NO, they made money by selling my work. SO , they figured, lets keep quiet, because if C gets angry, he might say: "No more work from me....." and what will we do then? So let him be, we love our money more than his soul.
The same ones came around for their tithing every month and took it from the hand of a lost person.

But my mother prayed and prayed and believed God. God stepped in one day and put me in a sickbed and spoke to me for two weeks about the Word. I repented on my face and I have never looked back.
I will talk and talk about the Word and how we must love it, until I am with Him. Through HIS strength, I will do it. By HIS power He will lead me in it. He is faithful and just.

You see, He agape'd me by showing me the Word. Then He proceeded to set me free from years of bondage, just by the Word. No "inner healing" no little old ladies playing Oprah with God's Word,,,,,just the truth...that He has done it already
C

It defines not nearly my entire theology: It totally defines my believe about what the Bible is about. The purpose of God with humanity etc.

My believe is: I am crucified with Christ and no longer live, but the life I now live I live by faith in the Son of God, who now lives in me. This Christ that lives in my is the Word of God, its the glory that will go to another glory (from glory to glory) it will reach a maturity and Christ will manifest in me and all other believers.As His BODY we will be, the church empowered by His Spirit (the latter rain) He will bring many sons into glory (Romans 6) This is the bride, she has prepared herself for the Groom Revelation 21:2
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
She has been seated in heavenly places, therefor she comes out of heaven.Ephesians 2:6
and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

So the Bride is already "in heaven, seated in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus"

Revelation 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

(Look at the tread that Dennis has started on the water=the Word.)

The answer is : exchange yourself for the Word. Let IT control you, It must renew our minds, so we can be changed .

This is meat and not all will understand, but pray that the Holy Spirit will open it.
C

I have a question. When you get whisked away from your couch will your packet of chips get whisked away with you? That way you will have something to munch on while you watch the tribulation saints getting beheaded.

The ones who get fed there are fed with normal food. These are the worthy ones who do not need to be purged in the Great Tribulation. Satan is angry when he cannot reach these worthy saints in the wilderness and pursues after the rest of the brethren. These are the ones which must be purged of all worldliness and sin during the Great Tribulation. These will be beheaded and martyred. The GT is definitely a time of punishment for worldly Christians to test them with fire, to test them whether they love their worldly possessions and ways more than they love God and holiness. Just like Lot had to forsake his home and city. These will not be able to buy and sell and must have faith in God each day for provision.

Let none of us think that God will just turn the TV off for us and whisk us out of our lounge chairs clutching our packet of chips. We will be required to flee into the wilderness, and those who do not will be required to resist the antichrist in the cities and towns being unable to buy and sell.

I am sure you are correct. This will be a time of great miracles. We will not be able to buy or sell, so the Lord will supply in all our needs, just as He did for Israel in the wilderness.

I also agree that this will be a great purging of worldliness. That is why we have to blow the trumpet now, so that while there is still time, some can come out of their sleep and repent.The time is almost up.

I add the feeding of the Word, because the worldly church is in need of that too.


John 6:57-59 (King James Version)
57As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. 58This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

If the worldly church has been eating Him, they would have been living by Him.

C

As I was reading this tears streamed down my face with the understanding in my heart about the wonder of His love for us. Yes, I know that I was supposed to find this site, it was not an accident. He has allowed me to see His angels several times over the years but I have recently started hearing His voice and having visions. Some that I have shared this with told me that they were afraid I had went off the deep end, but I have known it was real and from Him. More real than anything on this earth! I am to the point that I understand the supernatural being totally natural. I love being there in His presence. He hasn't allowed me to see all of Him, yet, but I continue to seek Him with all of my heart and I know that as sure as He lets me hear Him, soon, I too shall see Him in His glory! Recently He showed me His hand, stretched out to me, with a single red rose lying in His palm. That vision took me to the "Beloved" in
Song of Solomon 2:1 I am a rose of Sharon, a lily of the Valleys.
Your visitation, LoisFaith, keeps the eyes of my heart focused on the only One. Thank you so much for sharing.
Your Sister in Christ,
Angelseer

OOPS,Let me correct myself, thank you for sharing Isabel's visitation with us, LoisFaith.

I just told you what l was doing in the Lord ex...And it's like you're calling me a liar.

I'm telling the truth to you. If we are ready the Lord will take us out. Those who aren't ready will stay and be purged. It will be the greatest revival known to man. God may even see fit to see you through to the end...

You have a nasty attitude to accuse me of sitting in a lounge chair eating potato chips even after l told you l wasn't that type of person...That l have been serving the Lord since l dedicated myself in 79...

It's been a growing and becoming experience. I live my life like l might die tomorrow..
All should be living like it's their last day. It's in obediance to the command...Be ready!

Thank you for posting this C. I have seen this for myself..and I knew something just wasn't right about it.

As you know C and all here, that whatever convicts ours spirit,(BECAUSE the HOLY SPIRIT DWELLS WITHIN US) and because GOD created us BEFORE THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE WORLD...)we know and recognise what is of the WORLD and what is of GOD whom created us in his Image) concerns us, gives us a gut feeling that something just isn't right about this... we should pray on this. I 've had to walk away.

Hasn't the end of days been since Christ our LORD died on the cross for our sins and was resurrected on the third day? I beleive so...He said IT IS FINISHED. AND the KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND.
He took the keys from Satan, he went down into Hell to do so, and then appeared unto both Mary's and his disciples then latter to multitudes of people...He ascended unto Heaven and the people where told you shall see me as the same way I left...coming in the clouds. He sits at the right hand side of our Father in Heaven.
HE IS ONE WITH THE FATHER....we are his children.
God will stengthen us, in our doubts we should pray, always having on the Armor, to give him the Glory and the HONOR.

God's love is so mighty...he tells us so...That Nothing shall separate us from his love.
He is a jealous GOD. HE is and was and shall be forever and ever.
He is the TRUTH, and the Life, the living waters that restore our weary souls.
His grace and mercy are powerful, for all those he calls to him....when he does this there is no turning back, no way, he leads us, and walks before us. He knows where we are at all times, and even sends admistrating angels to help us.
Jesus IS all in all, the Breath of all life, and the Bread of Manna that falls down from Heaven.

So if we fear, let us fear not this world, but fear God...HE IS MIGHTY, and his WORD will not come back VOID.

and Psalms 23 comes to mind....In our darkest hour, in the shadow of Death...he will not leave you nor forsake you.

I guess what part I don't understand is when Satan was loosed for a short time. Well isn't he at work now....are people being persecuted for their faith in Christ now...yes they are. If you could help me in this area leading me to Bible verses I would appreciate it. Thanks in advance...and God's Blessings on all here.

Sorry Lois, but we CAN speak out against delusion and false doctrine. This is coming out of Brownsville again. The originator unfortunately is a fellow South African RH Brown. It all started with the so called Toronto blessing.

I have followers of this movement here in South Africa. I can tell you what they do: 1. The Bible is secondary to there revelation. The Lord now appears directly to them and his word is above the Word. They build on the Word (actual words used) I asked this lady:"So if the Lord told you to sleep with a man, because He wants to save him, will you?" she said: "Of course I will, if He asks me"

She has left the Word : She told me she gets confused when I use the word Word to describe the Bible, because she gets the Word directly now from God.I must say Bible, so she can understand. There are thus now TWO Words.

She sees visions and prophecies> not scriptural visions, but visions like a fortune teller. She tells people what will happen in their lives.How well they will do in their exams ect.

She hands out at retreats, where people meditate until they "feel the universe turning inside"

She speaks ONLY of intimacy with the Lord. She is here she says to prepare the bride. She prays for three hours a day in tongues and uses that as a measuring rod of other's spirituality. Thus pray enough and you are of a separate group of special Christian.

She is unteachable> Listens to nothing anymore about the Word. Paul is a chauvinist and the Lord told her that he was immature.

She is a gossip that interferes in the lives of others.

She tells woman that it is OK to divorce, because their husbands is in the way of the ministry

She thinks that we are making too much of sex outside marriage.

BUT she hears the Beloved directly, quotes (like all in this movement) perfectly from Song of Solomon (their new and only Bible) She is at his feet, loves him to bits, weeps at his love.

The Lord told us about sending a delusion at the end of times, but now: How will those who are deluded know they are deluded...,because that is what a strong delusion is..a delusion. They KNOW they are right, because they have SEEN him.



NOTE: Nothing is ever taught by the Apostles about being open to a new revelation that runs OUTSIDE the Word. We are told to hold fast to the things that they have taught us.

People this is a strong delusion. STRONG.

I know of cases where this demon was transferred by the laying on of hands, so please be careful who you allow to lay hands on you.
Our safety is the Word. God calls it the Truth, because it is Jesus, the Word that became flesh. We are not to go beyond that which is written. If we do we are open to this delusion. Its going to get worse as time gets closer to the end. HOLD FAST TO THE WORD

For those trapped in this. You have to repent and seek the Word.At this stage it is not a good idea to ask the Lord to speak to you any other way, but through the Word. Seek deliverance from this.You are not following Who you think you are.

C

I am sorry, but more needs to be said:I quote and reply in blue:

I place this quote , its called "Loving Jesus for 12-year-olds" I cannot quote the others as it is too explicit:

I can tell you from my own experience: This exact spirit came past me after such a person laid hands on me, because I was sick and they prayed for my healing. It was soon after that , that this very demon came and I had to resist it with the Word. It came as a thought , a very clear "oh this makes sense" thought. Only by God's grace did I avoid it.

Its starts with the teaching of the "Beloved" and takes you into Song of Soloman . Slowly pulling you in and the point is to get you here:


Loving Jesus for JETTs! (DO 3029Jet)
Note: JETTs are Family children aged 12–13
This edited version of the Loving Jesus publications is less direct than other versions. However, references to sex and spiritual sexuality are still prevalent.

187. "Isn't this beautiful? The Lord says that His Love for us is so deep and that He is rewarding us with His lovemaking because we lay down our lives day by day in service, obedience and yieldedness. What a precious reward right here on Earth, a special touch and empowerment of His Love." — Karen Zerby

Please note the reference to Song of Solomon in BOTH these posts!

Dear sisters, you have to come out of this!The one you are seeing is not The One (Jesus) but an imposter that is out to get you!

PLEASE NOTE: I POST THIS AS A WARNING, THIS IS NOT A REAL PROPHETIC WORD:

Matt 13:22 As for what was sown among thorns, this is he who hears the Word, but the cares of the world and the pleasure {and} delight {and} glamour {and} deceitfulness of riches choke {and} suffocate the Word, and it yields no fruit.
Just like Isaac many of the worshipers have realized that there have been a famine in the land...So they went out and sought the inheritance that have been hidden and covered up....
Gen 26:1 AND THERE was a famine in the land, other than the former famine that was in the days of Abraham. And Isaac went to Gerar, to Abimelech king of the Philistines.
Gen 26:15 Now all the wells which his father's servants had dug in the days of Abraham his father, the Philistines had closed and filled with earth.