CHINA, IRAN AND MARCH 21, 2007

Those paying attention to the ‘vision’ of 2300 days and its countdown, may not be aware that the “count of the days” in the ‘sixth’ trumpet of Revelation 9:15 has been the stumbling block as far as I am concerned, as to the timing of the fall of the military, political and economic restrainer of the whole earth, (Jeremiah 50:23) the United States.

If it is a literal 397 days, it most likely will fall on the first day of the first month of Nisan or March 19/20, 2007, If it is an ‘appointed single day’ then the first day of the seventh month of Tishri or September 12, 2007, will be the day?

However, the 2 links below make a ‘strong’ case and may cause all of us TO REALIZE that the March 19/20 day is looking rather ominous?

This text out of Isaiah 34:8 speaks volumes, what is the “controversy of Zion”?

Is it not the ‘vision’ of a Roadmap to Peace and the devastation it has brought to Israel and the surrounding areas of Gaza, Lebanon and Syria and the world while Iran makes plan to destroy them from off the face of the earth!

Here’s the text; Isaiah 34:8 For it is THE DAY of the LORD'S vengeance, and THE YEAR OF recompenses for the controversy of Zion.

PREPARING FOR THE ‘BLACK HORSE’

The chess game the Conspirators of Psalm 2 play is written in a ‘Armageddon Script’ they follow that is being played out openly as they lay out the plans for a ‘world currency’ no longer dominated by US influence.

The 2 linked articles below give the details; allow me, if you may, to comment?

A couple of red flagged quotes;

“When they say 'diversification' they mean SELLING DOLLARS”. Last week a friend of mine told me they called their bank president in Vancouver, BC he told her “his bank is currently MAKING PREPERATIONS FOR THE CRASH of the American dollar”!

LET’S SIT IN THE SADDLE

1.) China, has announced that they will be refusing to accept American Corporations purchasing into their stock market, also saying that they are no longer going to be purchasing our securities as they have in the past, including bonds and T-bills.

This decision and announcement on 2/27/07 sent a panic across the World's markets, causing a 416-point drop in the US stock market, this 8% freefall on the Chinese stock exchange triggered a massive equities sell-off that has kept the markets on edge.

2.) OPEC has also stated they will be DIVERSIFYING into other currencies limiting the trade of oil via the American dollar.

3.) Central banks around the world are also increasingly diversifying their reserves and cutting holdings of American dollars.

4.) Between September and December 2006; Italy, Russia, Sweden and Switzerland have made "major adjustments" in foreign-exchange holdings favoring the Euro and the British pound.

5.) Reading prophetically, between the lines, the following quote, #6, speaks volumes in regards to the destruction of the US (Jeremiah 50:31-32, 43) and its’ ‘architect’ of the ‘vision to a Roadmap to Peace’ that will divide Gods’ land Israel with a Palestinian state!

6.) "Central banks are open to saying they've been DIVERSIFYING TO IMPROVE RETURNS AND REDUCE EXPOSURE to any single currency," said Sean Callow, senior currency strategist at Westpac Banking Corp. in Singapore.

7.) On March 21st 2007, Iran will have the ominous notoriety of being the first nation in the world to outlaw the American dollar and will put anyone in jail that uses it in their country after that date.

The real issue in Iran is NOT NUCLEAR; Russia is handling that end, but its decision NOT TO USE THE AMERICAN DOLLAR for the SALE OF OIL and trade.

8.) North Korea has also outlawed the use of the American dollar in their country, while Malaysia, did the same thing on the next day!

http://www.lwoil.com/newsletters/march_2007.htm

INDEED A ‘BLACK SADDLE’

In this last link, while predicting a “CRISIS”, and maybe a month too late, they say “China will shift OUT OF the US dollar”; here is a list of nine April consequences ready to converge.

1. Acceleration of the pace and size of bankruptcies among US financial organizations: from one per week today to one per day in April
2. Spectacular rise of US home foreclosures: 10 million Americans out on the street
3. Accelerating collapse of housing prices in the US: - 25%
4. The US economy enters into recession in April 2007
5. Precipitous rate cut by the US Federal Reserve
6. Growing importance of China-USA trade conflicts
7. China's shifts out of US dollars / Yen carry trade reversal
8. A sudden drop in the US dollar against the Euro, Yuan and Yen
9 Tumble of Sterling Pound

http://www.leap2020.eu/ Read more in GEAB #12 Contents, a public announcement (February 16, 2007)

Are you spiritually heeding the leading of the Holy Spirit as this count is shortened by a day everyday?

Have you fled the ‘traditions of man’ that are nothing but ‘lies’ that have been ‘made and loved’ for years? They must be rejected and repented of, as to throw them away and get BACK INTO THE CITY.

If Iran and China go through with their plans, the ‘stock crash’ of 1929 will be as candy on a stick as to what this ‘DAY’ will bring!

Giving Him the glory, an Ezekiel 33:6 watching one, REPENT the Kingdom Of God is at hand, make your election SURE

I've been hearing things such as this for some time now. Though we'll have to wait to see, these warnings usually don't happen as predicted. But I see no reason why this isn't plausible. We all know that worldwide depression will hit some day, as a quart of grain will cost a day's wages.

We shouldn't hang our hat on the system of this world anyway. We should live expecting this system to come crashing down someday, likely sooner than later, and learn to be content in abundance or in lack.

Warnings such as this should be considered. I for one wouldn't have my finances in something that is likely to take a fall, such as dollar based investments including the stock market. Gold should be in better shape, particularly as the dollar shrinks. Better yet if you can invest your wealth in God's kingdom. You can't fail there.

How sure are you that the countdown is real? 100%?

i am 100% sure this countdown is wrong! Yes the econony of the US will one day colapse but according to revelation, the world econo goes down, not just ours. There are so many reasons why this countdown is wrong but a simple piece of evidence is that the bible tells us the anti has world control for 42 months...this countdown that gavriel talks about has about 18 months left until the second coming. Totally against scripture. I dont really care that its way off. What bothers me is when it fails, it gives Christians another black eye. Scoffers will say, "those crazy date setters got it wrong again"

I think you forgot russia too. Russia is a feet of the beer and i think the Anti-Christ would be Russia President Valamdir Putin.

I think this site is intresting to read :- http://revelation13.net/

Lemuel Reyes' on 'Mar 7 2007, 3:47 AM' post #'104580'

TARRYING TIME

Lemuel asked, “How sure are you that the countdown is real, 100%?”

Lemuel, I know the Holy Spirit is convicting you because this is the second time you have asked me about the ‘vision’! Praise God!

My answer is YES;
What you don’t want to do, is stay in the CAMP OF THE LIARS. Gods’ word out of Jeremiah 50:36 “A SWORD IS UPON THE LIARS; and they shall dote (become as fools): a sword is upon her mighty men; and they shall be dismayed.”

Don’t be FOOLED like the 5 virgins who did not oil their lamps and in unbelief and mockery, the time of tarrying ended and they were SURPRISED.

Matthew 25:3 THEY THAT WERE FOOLISH took their lamps, and took no oil with them: 4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 While the bridegroom TARRIED, they all slumbered and slept. 6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

Habakkuk 2:3 For the vision is meant for its appointed time; IT SPEAKS OF THE END, and IT DOES NOT LIE. It may tarry a while, but wait for it; it will surely come, it will not delay. 4 "Look at the proud: he is inwardly not upright; but the righteous will attain life through TRUSTING FAITHFULNESS.

Faith comes by hearing, we hear by reading His word and by studying to show ourselves approved (II Timothy 2:15), the Holy Spirit will weed out the lies as His truth becomes known to you.

It is very hard to “weed out the lies” that we have been taught. We depend on His word, by faith not trusting in the ‘traditions of men’. Isaiah 34:8 tells of this ‘appointed time’.

Daniel 8:13 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to the speaker, "How long will the events of the vision last, this vision concerning the continual and the transgression which is so appalling, that allows the sanctuary and the army to be trampled underfoot?" 14 The first said to me, "Two thousand three hundred evenings and mornings, after which the sanctuary will be restored to its rightful state."

Daniel 8:15 After I, Dani'el, had seen the vision and was trying to understand it, suddenly there stood in front of me someone who appeared to be a man. 16 I heard a human voice calling from between the banks of the Ulai, "Gavri'el, make this man understand the vision!" 17 He came up to where I was standing, and his approach so terrified me that I fell on my face. But he said to me, "Human being! Understand that THE VISION REFERS TO THE TIME OF THE END."

THE WILLINGLY IGNORANT ARE TARRYING

We don’t want to tarry with the liars and the unbelieving the ‘children of the night’ Paul warned us not to become.

II Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

THE REWARD OF FOLLOWING THE ‘LIARS’

We don’t want to be here;
Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and WHOSOEVER LOVES AND MAKES A LIE.

SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER

Ask yourself why the ‘recipient’ of the ‘vision’ to a Roadmap to Peace’ is still in a comatose state after 14 months?

Will not the ‘sender’ and his nation even suffer greater consequences?

Have you kept your eyes on Israel and Russia and its chess master, Putin, he’s been in the news a lot the past seven months, God is using him, to destroy this land?

Lemuel, there is so much going on in front of our faces that we are all rather blinded by it. Like the frog put in a pan until it is TOO LATE.

Thanks for your question, may the Lord anoint your mind as you ask, seek and knock for wisdom, counsel and skill in understanding. Much love, Gavrial

If you read Daniel about the abomination and the 1290 days, he only has 45 days left from the time the abomination is set up. The daily is taken away at the start of 1290 days, and the abomination is set up at the end of 1290 days, leaving only 45 days to the "blessed is he that waits and comes to the 1335 days"



Yom Kippur 2008 falls on the 283rd day...October 9

45 days before that falls on the 238th day...August 25



Leap Month accounted for

2008 is a leap year. 1290 suggests a leap month (1260 days +30 days). The Jewish year in 2008 ends in a leap month (AdarII...see for yourself)



the 1335 day count would have begun on February 13th 2005 if these two counts coincide (2300 and 1335 days) There is only 1 Jewish leap month between 2/13/05 and 8/25/08



Daniel 8



13 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, "How long will it take for the vision to be fulfilled—the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, and the surrender of the sanctuary and of the host that will be trampled underfoot?" 14 He said to me, "It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated." (read chapter)



Daniel 12



9 He replied, "Go your way, Daniel, because the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.

11 "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days. 13 "As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance." (read chapter)





You may wonder why AdarII has only 29 days. Where is the extra day? Shouldn't there be 30?



(source)



With that in mind, we now know that the 30th day of the leap month (AdarI) falls on March 7 2008

Actually I might be in error. February 13th 2005 falls on the 4th day of the leap month

February 13th 2005

But, the whole 30 days of it is not accounted for in the 1290 day count. In other words, there is still only 1 full leap month between this time.

P.S. I know this detracts from the 1290 days from June 24, 2002 to Arial Sharon's coma on January 4th 2006 (1290 days) but I noticed an odd pattern in the difference of 2/13/05 and 1/04/06...there are 325 days difference which is close to 1/4 (one "quarter") of 1290 days, in other words:



"a quart of wheat and 3 quarts of barley"?



1290 x .25 = 322.5

322 is the chapter 322 of the "Skull and Bones" fraternity! February 13th is the 44th day of the year, with 321 days remaining in non leap years, and 322 in leap years.



1290 x .75 = 967.5 with 1332.5 days remaing in 2300 days. 1332.5 divided by 2 = 666.25

'duncdrewnoah' on 'Mar 7 2007, at 9:34 AM' post #'104596']


Duncan said

“i am 100% sure this countdown is wrong! Yes the economy of the US will one day collapse but according to revelation, the world economy goes down, not just ours. There are so many reasons why this countdown is wrong but a simple piece of evidence is that the bible tells us the anti has world control for 42 months...this countdown that gavriel talks about has about 18 months left until the second coming, totally against scripture. I don’t really care that its way off. What bothers me is when it fails; it gives Christians another black eye. Scoffers will say, "Those crazy date setters got it wrong again"

Duncan, you didn’t read the articles, it will be a world wide collapse, they just think, like you that they have more time to get ready and prepare for our dollars fall, they have no oil in their lamps!

Duncan, we’ve discussed the “42 months” before it is a “time, times and dividing time” the time from the ‘visions’ announced proclamation to the world on June 24, 2002 that has been and will continue to divide God’s land until the antichrist succeeds and the ‘Abomination that causes devastation’, a Palestinian state is declared in Jerusalem, Israel!

Duncan, have you forgot that the President was going to announce his vision on 6-18-02.

But a terrorist attack in Israel killed 19 Israelis, you talk about being made a ‘fool’. So he tried the next day 6-19-02, another smaller attack. So the ‘appointed time’ was set 6-24-02.

It is from this day and ONLY THIS DAY could the vision end 2300 days later and fall on the Day of Atonement’ and only Yeshua and He alone will cleanse it ON THAT DAY!

Duncan you DON’T THINK God had his hand in this? Duncan, you have ‘become what you say’, SCOFFERS WILL SAY, "Those crazy date setters got it wrong again"

II Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there SHALL COME IN THE LAST DAYS SCOFFERS, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Duncan, it wasn’t until I was 56 years old, that the Lord freed me from the ‘traditions of men’ they are as if a veil has been pulled over our eyes, but the ‘tarrying time’ is over the ‘VISION’ is true!

My prayer Duncan is that your eyes will open and you ‘RUN WITH IT’.

I love you, my brother. Gavrial

Sorry if my last two posts went over everyone's head. I'll try to explain what I see in them:

• the count of 2300 evenings and mornings begins on June 24th 2002.
• 1290 days from that date is January 4th 2006 when Ariel Sharon went comatose.
• According to Gavrial, this is the "taking away of the daily" (correct me if I'm wrong here)
• There are 1010 days left to October 9th, 2008 Yom Kippur from January 4th 2006

1335 days according to Daniel 12 is the "blessed day" and seems to coincide with the end of 2300 days, so we count backwards 1335 days from the end

• Counting backwards from October 9th 2008 1335 days is February 13th 2005
• Counting Backwards 45 days from October 9th is 1290 days after February 13th 2005 (44th day of our solar year) which would be August 25th 2008
• If 1335 days falls on October 9th 2008, then August 25th 2008 is "the abomination that makes desolate" according to both the 2300 day vision and 1335 day vision
• February 13th 2005 is the 4th of Adar I (a leap month of the lunar year)
• 4th of Adar I seems to correspond with January 4th since they both are the 4th day of a month---1 at the beginning of a (SOLAR) year, 1 at the end of a (LUNAR) year
• The difference is 325 days which is close to 1/4 of 1290 days (322.5 days)
• 322 is the number for "Skull and Bones" Yale fraternity members of whom GWB is an "active member" (since he never renounced it and claimed it is "part of who I am")
• the rider that follows the black horse (3rd seal) is "Death and Hell(Hades)" (4th seal)

This has to do with the "quartet" and a "road map" and horses and riders and 1/4 and 3/4...3rd seal (3/4) and 4th seal (1/4) and a "covenant with death and hell".



Does that make sense?

there are so many things about this countdown that are almost laughable...saying that Ariel sharon going into a coma is the daily sacrifice being taking away is just one of them.

I have mentioned before: anti reings over entire world 42 months, that hasnt started yet.
2 witnesses in jerusalem for 42 months, then killed, then ressurected, they are not there yet.
and on and on...

plus there is so much left that must happen, i.e.-damascus a ruinous heap, gog magog invasion of ezek 38, mark of the beast required, 144000 jews converted and preach the gospel all over the world, great number of people martyred for Christ, massive earth quakes, plagues, asteriod strikes etc...None of this has started, it can not all happen in 18 months...these are not little traditions of men...these are things that the Bible clearly states will happen.

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. REv 11:3

And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

pretty clear to me.

by the way gavrial: your response makes it sound like anyone holding to a different time line than yours is a liar and doomed to hell....I think the 7 yr trib will start some time between 2007 and 2011....if someone out there disagrees, at least one of us is wrong but if we are both born again, we will both go to heaven.

mmddll on 'Mar 7 2007, at 1:58 PM' in post #'104634' said,

Does this make sense?

[*]the count of 2300 evenings and mornings begins on June 24th 2002.

Correct, the reference to "evening and morning" is that Daniel had his dreams in Chapter 7 and Chapter 8 at different times.

[*]1290 days from that date is January 4th 2006 when Ariel Sharon went comatose.

Correct

[*]According to Gavrial, this is the "taking away of the daily" (correct me if I'm wrong here)

Correct, but the antichrist will pull the 'life support system' from Ariel Sharon, when Palestinian Statehood in Gods' land of Israel is proclaimed! (Daniel 11:31)

[*]There are 1010 days left to October 9th, 2008 Yom Kippur from January 4th 2006

Yes

[/list]1335 days according to Daniel 12 is the "blessed day" and seems to coincide with the end of 2300 days, so we count backwards 1335 days from the end

No, our "blessed hope", Yeshua comes back at the 'seventh' trumpet. Counting up from September 30, 2008 or Rosh Hashanah brings us back to February 3, 2005, when George Bush, at his 'State of the Union' address, authorized $350,000 million dollars for Palestinian 'security'!

Knowing Gods' festivals are paramount in any timeline.

mmddll, I just heard that the President is going to South America, but I didn't catch the dates, if he is down there into the 12th of March, this 19/20 March date could prove prophetically significant.

Keep your eyes and ears open, interesting days ahead, much love, Gavrial

I'm not arguing here, but i think you misunderstood something. In Daniel 12, Gabriel says "Blessed is he who waits and comes to the 1335 days". Isn't this the same as the end of 2300 days, which would be Yom Kippur? The feast of trumpets is 10 days prior to this (days of awe), which might explain the ten days in prison in the letter to Smyrna. Aren't trumpets blown on all of these days? That would acount for 7 trumpets and 3 woes and 3 1/2 days of the two witnesses being dead and rising on the day of atonement. Just a thought...



Rev 2:8 "To the angel of the church in Smyrna write:

These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again. 9 I know your afflictions and your poverty--yet you are rich! I know the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. 10 Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.

11 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt at all by the second death.



There is a difference of 10 days in our calculations. Daniel is promised that he will "rise" to recieve his allotted inheritance at the end of the 1335 days, not at the end of the 1325 days. Maybe I'm confused, but I thought that we would not "prevent" those who have fallen asleep...the dead in Christ shall rise first. Isn't Daniel "in Christ" the firstfruits?



Sorry if I've confused anyone here...

Thanks brother, I'll have to check that out. What is the purpose of the visit? I'm a little behind on current events...

No offense meant here Duncan, but I think you are relying too heavily on "traditions taught by men" just as Gavrial has said. The "anti" is not going to be that obvious. He would decieve, if it were possible, the very elect. It's not going to be "Aha! the countdown of 42 months starts here!" and if you rely too much on a pre-trib rapture, chances are you will miss it entirely if a pre-trib rapture is the wrong interpretation. I don't mean to cause any offense here. Another thing is that we don't know how long the "buy and sell" scenario will be in duration. It might only be for a few days. I think it will probably be for the remaining 45 days of Daniel's vision, when the abomination is set up.



I admit I have a problem with Ariel Sharon being the daily, but I don't think it is talking about animal sacrifices, either. A "daily" is an offering, whether it be prayers or grain, or whatever. It is a continual (daily) burnt offering. It may have something to do with the menorah (which is continually kept filled with oil), I don't know. Since animal sacrifices were done away with, I don't think there would be any logical reason to mention it as something that is "taken away". It could very well be referring to the temporary removal of God's protection (as a hedge of protection is removed). When God's protection is removed, darkness prevails. Ariel Sharon was a General during the 1948 takeover of Israel, I think (correct me if I'm wrong)



The 2300 vision traditionally has been associated with Antiochus Epiphanes polluting the temple, and the cleansing afterward which is where the holiday of Hannukah originated where the menorah ran out of oil and miraculously stayed lit for 8 days. I think the gospels also say Jesus observed this holiday The menorah is a lamp that burns continuously and is also a symbol of the two anointed ones in Zechariah 4 and Revelation 11 (the two witnesses). In Daniel's vision chapter 8, the sanctuary is "trampled under foot" just as it is in Revelation, by the "gentiles" (Roadmap to peace?).





The translation of this word (tamiyd) says nothing about a "sacrifice" that I can tell

http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/heb/view...=08548&l=en



I'm just trying to figure out how all of this fits together, if it does.

This is just an observation of another "daily" event:

Luke 9:23
And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

Revelation 6
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

There may be more than one way to "take away" a daily sacrifice. May we, as "living sacrifices" continue to be salt and light to a dying world.

In Christ,

Mike

Yes, absolutely! I have also considered that.



read this article too. It gives some insight into the absence of the word "sacrifice" in Daniel.

http://www.ortzion.org/Continual.html

P.S. I'm not so sure about the computer virus thing, but it is plausible on a certain level I guess. The main reason I posted the link is the idea of the "daily" as prayer, and Psalm 141:2 even suggests it.

1 O LORD, I call to you; come quickly to me.
Hear my voice when I call to you.

2 May my prayer be set before you like incense;
may the lifting up of my hands be like the evening sacrifice.

[quote name='duncdrewnoah' date='Mar 7 2007, 03:08 PM' post='104640']


Duncan, have you forgot that the President was going to announce his vision on 6-18-02.

But a terrorist attack in Israel killed 19 Israelis, you talk about being made a ‘fool’. So he tried the next day 6-19-02, another smaller attack. So the ‘appointed time’ was set 6-24-02.

It is from this day and ONLY THIS DAY could the vision end 2300 days later and fall on the Day of Atonement’ and only Yeshua and He alone will cleanse it ON THAT DAY!

I have one question; Duncan you DON’T THINK God had his hand in this?



there are so many things about this countdown that are almost laughable...saying that Ariel sharon going into a coma is the daily sacrifice being taking away is just one of them.

Ariel Sharon was born in Israel on February 27, 1927 in a village that means 'living fountain', he is the 'continual', and has been living in a comatose state for 14 months he 'set up' the disengagement plan, that was part of the desolation/devastation at the Gush Katiff expulsions at the 1150 day or in midst of the 2300 day vision!

I have mentioned before: anti reings over entire world 42 months, that hasnt started yet.
2 witnesses in jerusalem for 42 months, then killed, then ressurected, they are not there yet.
and on and on...

Again Duncan look at Revelation 12:6 & 14 to see the same event described in seperate numeric sequencing, I'm staying with the time, times and dividing of time as recorded in the book of Daniel.

plus there is so much left that must happen, i.e.-damascus a ruinous heap, gog magog invasion of ezek 38, mark of the beast required, 144000 jews converted and preach the gospel all over the world, great number of people martyred for Christ, massive earth quakes, plagues, asteriod strikes etc...None of this has started, it can not all happen in 18 months...these are not little traditions of men...these are things that the Bible clearly states will happen.

Duncan, everything listed in the above paragraph will happen in a period of approximately five days except the Gog-Magog that will come later. If the 'sixth' trumpet count is 397 days, that could all happen in 3 weeks!

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. REv 11:3

And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Duncan, the antichrist has been in his 'subduing mode' for 14 years.

pretty clear to me.
ARE YOU SURE??

by the way gavrial: your response makes it sound like anyone holding to a different time line than yours is a liar and doomed to hell....
Duncan, are you putting words into my mouth that Gods word says or i said??

I think the 7 yr trib will start some time between 2007 and 2011....if someone out there disagrees, at least one of us is wrong but if we are both born again, we will both go to heaven.

Where is a 7-year tribulation in the scripture, so you think Russia/Iran invasion of Israel will be sometime between 2014 and 2018? Duncan are you even glancing at the headlines?

The 'vision' is true Duncan, RUN WITH IT, Love to my 'bro' Gavrial

the 5th trumpet (1st woe) would have to be at least 150 days (5 months) from the end. Just thinking out loud here...

Hey Malcom I just wanted to tell you thanks for laying this all out! I am anxious to really sit down and check this all out! One question that I do have regarding it all is this. All of these calculations are based on the present day Jewish calander. God sets forth a very different calander in the Book of Exodus. Just wondering what either of your thoughts are in regards to this?



Thanks both Gav and mmddll for the information!



Your Friend in Christ,
Val

Messiahiscoming

Gavrial,

Do you have any corroborating news sites for the Lindey Williams link? I've searched everywhere for someone else reporting the same thing.

Thanks.

In Christ,

Mike

MM,

No offense taken...this is just a doctrine debate and at least one group is wrong...but if we are all saved, it dont matter a hole lot...
having said that, you still have not explained away the clear scripture in Revelation that the anti will have world control for 42 months. No one controls the world right now. No one person. No body in Europe or the mideast is forcing the us's hand, Bush cant even control Iraq...The anti christ is not in control yet and the Bible says he will be for 42 months. So even if he takes world control today, and does so in just one day, you got 42 months left.

the kjv clearly says the daily sacrifice...the sanhedrin has been formed again and has bought lambs to sacrifice on passover of this yr if they can get permission (they will not)...but the pt is, the relegious jews are desperate to restart sacrifices and part of the treaty to come, will allow that to happen.

gav, I dont think the russian iran ivasion is that far off..it is my opinion that the invasion leads to the anti confriming the already existing treaty...i think this is the order of events:
soon, syria does something to Israel that make Israel bomb Damascus(is 17:) damascus will become a ruinous heap...just like the Bible says, the nations will be very upset with Israel. This leads to a treaty that calls for peace in the middle east. something like; isreal takes down the security fence, hizbullah lays down its weapons and final border for a palastenian state are draw. AS soon as the fence comes down, iran invades, they get whipped by God, and that sets up the anti confirming the existing treaty...that starts trib.

Revelation makes it very clear the anti has complete world control for 42 months...he want get it in a day, it will take time. Daniel tells us he starts off conquering by peace the starts military action.


listen-i hope you guys are right..i want Jesus to comeback today. But it is not time yet. he has promised certain things will happen first and gave specific timelines for some of those.

bonomike on March 8 2007, at 7:52 AM in post #104684 asked, Gavrial,

"Do you have any corroborating news sites for the Lindey Williams link? I've searched everywhere for someone else reporting the same thing."

Hello Mike,

I have not done an intenified 'google' search, but this 'dead bodies' Goldman Sach link dated at about the same time as Mr. Williams is hinting that way.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtm...06/cngold06.xml

The 'Conspirators of Psalm 2' do let their 'nobles' know when a particular day of a planned event is to occur, God has put 'hooks in their jaws' to fulfill his will and bring in His Kingdom, while the 'Conspirators' are all the while thinking they win at Armegeddon!

Deception is the 'fuel being poured out' on both ends of the 'spectrum' today, amazing times we are living in.
God bless your day, Gavrial

Val, thanks for the comments. I don't know if any of this even means anything, so don't take these calculations as something "written in stone". I'm just sort of thinking out loud here.



I believe the current Jewish calendar is based on the one that Daniel used in Babylon. They adopted the Babylonian names for the months while in exile. Check me on this, I might be wrong. I didn't know there was much difference between the one from Exodus. Can you point out what you mean?

mmddll' responding on Mar 9 2007,at 5:18 PM' in post #104795 to messiahiscoming post #104669 of Mar 7 2007, at 11:01 PM asked,

"I believe the current Jewish calendar is based on the one that Daniel used in Babylon. They adopted the Babylonian names for the months while in exile. Check me on this, I might be wrong. I didn't know there was much difference between the one from Exodus. Can you point out what you mean?

Then, I, Gavrial butting in said, (lol) Hi, messiahiscoming I love both you 'guys'! Gav

Malcom, I know you addressed this question to messiahiscoming, I am responding to the AoD question you asked me earlier, so I threw in my calendar opinion.

The calendar is right on as we read it today, the Conspirators of Psalm 2 use this calendar to dictate events and to schedule their 'deal doings'.

Everyone has to be on schedule and in tune as they play out their "great undertaking" of defeating God and His anointed at the Battle of Armegeddon sometime between September 29, and October 9, 2008.

The "Abomination of desolation" will be the announcement that Palestine is an official state in Israel and East Jerusalem is theirs. Thats when the AC will pull Ariel Sharon's 'life support sytem', I believe that can occur as early as 20 March 07 or as late as 12 September 07.

Have a great weekend, in Yeshua's name, gavrial

Yes I totally understand that this is not set in stone but I did find your information interesting, and worth seeking the Lord about. Some are very closed minded and will not even look at something that is not the traditional view. Yet on the other hand I realize that we must be wise not being carried away by every wind of doctrine. So I appreciate your comments!



Here is something I wrote up from another thread a while back the ancient calandar was contingent on the the fact when the barley was ripe. So if it was not ripe then an extra month was added to the calandar. Today the calandar is not that way. You know year in advance if an extra month of Adar is added. Here is what I wrote at an earlier time......







One interesting bit of information about the barley being Abib or ripe is the way that the ancient Israelites and the Karoites still use to determine their begining of months of years. That is why some celebrate their new year in Fall and others in the Spring.

Their year begins with the first New Moon after the barley in Israel reaches the stage in its ripeness called Abib. So the calandar could have 12 or 13 months, depending if the barley is ripe at the end ot the 12 month. If the barley is Abib at this time, then the following New Moon is Hodesh Ha-Aviv. If the barley is not mature then another month is added to the year. Then at the end ot the 13 month it is checked again.

I find that interesting because this is the way that the Lord command the Israelites to determine their new year. I find it fasinating to know that there is not a set number of days in the calandar. It is determined on the sighting of the moon which can vary a couple of days as well as the stage of ripeness of the barley. There is no way to know the day or the hour? I have heard cases that the Lord could return on a future spring feast or I have heard great compelling cases for the Fall feast. In either case a true date cannot be fixed because of the sighting of the new moon and also the barley being ripe all factor in.



Your Friend in Christ,

Val

Messiahiscoming

That also brings us back to the two witnesses. Legend has it that two witnesses were needed to declare the new moon. The two witnesses in revelation are symbolized by the solar (1260 days) count rather than lunar (42 months) count. Perhaps that is an indication of 2 different calendars?



The gentiles trample the city for 42 months (unsaved Jewish/Muslim?), but the two witnesses prophesy for 1260 days (Christian?).

quick reference

Sorry for getting off the subject of this thread, Gavrial. Maybe somehow it fits in? I don't know, I sort of wandered...

March 21 is the spring equinox...

Has anyone ever heard of the "annalemma"? This is very interesting...



Over the course of a year, the sun makes a "figure 8" in the sky
http://www.analemma.com/

Where the two lines meet is where the position of the sun is at the spring/fall equinoxes. The summer/winter solstices are located top and bottom.


I'm going to start another thread for this so we can get back on topic...

mmddll on Mar 9 2007, at 7:23 PM in post #104801 said,

"Sorry for getting off the subject of this thread, Gavrial. Maybe somehow it fits in? I don't know, I sort of wandered... also March 21 is the spring equinox"

No problem Malcolm,

Dow Jones closing figures are few and far between on this forum, but with the soon ‘approaching’ Black horse, this may peak some interest, because this is not good news.

Meaning that by originating in the USA, and with twice the % drop as the China market drop a couple of weeks ago, that triggered huge losses throughout the world.

This is going to hit the Asian markets, and there will be a meltdown following within a week - to ten days, maybe sooner!

This goes right along with the ‘timing’ of the title of this post? March 13 + 8= March 21

The Dow closed down a whopping 242 points; All of the others are down anywhere from 3.5%-5% right across the board, (S&P 500, USA 100, INT"L 100) etc... all down substantial amounts.

12,075.96 DJIA Values (Started today at 12318.62)
-242.66 - Change
-1.97 % - Chg%
312,343,240 - Volume
Mar 13 2007 16:04:39 EDT - Last Trade
1604 = 4:04 PM EDT

Gavrial reporting from NYSE via http://www.nyse.com/