Sometimes I wonder, in the bible when God speaks of marriage, is He speaking of our traditional marriages, as in a ceremony conducted by a priest, exchanging of vows, and a certificate? Or is it the uniting of two people into one, as in sexual intercourse? If you have sex with a few different people before you marry someone who you haven't had sex with, are you considered divorced from the men you married/slept with before and are now commiting and making your marriage partner commit adultery?

When I made topics before after my ex-boyfriend, people spoke as if we were married and so I thought of the above. We weren't legally married, but maybe in God's sight we were and so I have commited adultery? I have repented of those sins and I have faith in Jesus Christ, but I thought I'd ask because I've never heard anything about this before.

Its pretty hard to minimise how evil and destructive fornication is. Like you say sexual intercourse is the combining of the man and woman to be one flesh is something which occurs and is an essential part of marriage. When Isaac married Rebecca it seems that they just went into the tent and became husband and wife. However it was done in the sight of witnesses after gifts were exchanged. Everybody understood that a union till death do us part was happening. In fact Rebecca's family had given her in marriage to Isaac. So marriage is not just the linking of bodies it is the exchanging of vows in front of all witnesses.

You have been forgiven and washed clean of your sin. You were not married to those others because it was not done openly before witnesses. There were no vows exchanged. I would put this all behind you and concentrate on getting it done in the right order next time.

Marriage is a promise to God.
Did you make a promise to God about your former partner? Or were you just having sex?

If there was a promise,,,than in God's eyes,,,it was a marrige,
if there was no promise,,,than it was just sex.

Only you and God know that answer,,what promises were or were not made.
if you made a vow, or if you didnt.

if you didnt make any vow,,,,,,,,,than you are not married.

Be at peace. Go and leave your sin behind you.



If you promised God that you would keep this person as your husband,,,then you left him,,,,,,,,,its a different situation then.
OR
If you made that vow,,and he left you,,,its another different story.
If you didnt make a vow,,and later got married to him anyways and had a family,,,its then another story.

There is no cookie cutter black or white answer here.
Too many variables.
It all depends on each specific situation.

Because you were not married to him, you commited fornication...Repent and move forward and do this sin no more...

BUT..........
I would like to take this question one step further if I may...I am curious as to the responses that may come or not...

In the wedding vow it say, "What God has so joined together let no man put asunder."

Now, what if two people get married that God did not intend to be married?

What I am saying is that we make choices in our flesh that God does not ordain, NOR does He send us into...
These are sinful choices that hamper our walk with God.

If in your sin you marry because of other reasons other than to glorify God in a union, what then?

How would you reply to this question...

Yes,,we have to figure out who we are,,and where God has put us in life


Were you an adulterer? Than stop committing adultery.

were you married?
then dont seek a divorce,,,seek what God wants for your marrige.

are you already divorced,,,,seek reconciliation. First to God,,then let him lead you to your spouse

Are you the prodical son (or daughter)? Then return to God,,,and let him lead you home.

Are you a theif? then stop stealing and give back what youve stolen.

Are you a liar? Then go and tell the truth.

Are you a cheat? Restore what youve cheated others out of.

Dont kill anymore,

Dont hate anymore,,,,,rather,,,,love as Jesus showed us too.

Right now,,,Make God your God,,,and he will make you his people,,,,seek his will and his ways,,,,and you will be blessed.
He will bind up what was broken,
He will restore what the locust ate away,
He will return what the theives have stolen.
Trust HIM,,, follow HIM,,,love him!
His plans are not to hurt you,,they are to prosper you !!!

First, you have to start at the beginning. Sounds funny, doesn't it? Think about this, 'In a race, they all run; but one receives the prize.'

In the beginning somewhere, God said, 'I will not contend with man forever.'

To contend with somebody, there must be a cause, but contend also means :To compete, as in a race; vie.

I would guess when you get married, you would do so for either or both of two reasons. One would be 'to complete.' And the other would be 'to fulfill.'

'To complete' something, to me, means that at one point something was not complete.

'To fulfill' something could mean using what has been completed.

So, in one sense, marriage could be thought of as the completion of the joining of the man and his wife, his helper, and in the next sense, to use what has been joined together 'as one flesh.'

Pamela said: In the wedding vow it say, "What God has so joined together let no man put asunder." . . . If in your sin you marry because of other reasons other than to glorify God in a union, what then?

The first statement is from the bible, right? Notice that there is no action that you take in the joining. And you say 'in your sin.' God is a just God. Jesus Christ will save you even if you are a sinner and He will save you in your sin. That is not just you, but the other as well. And if by the joining, the two become one that is saved . . . come to think of it, that is what the bible means by 'if you can't control yourself, it is not a sin if you marry' or something like that. The bible does say that the husband cannot save the wife nor the wife the husband, but that is after they become married.

Whether you eat or drink or whatever you do do all to the glory of God! That is not a license, I know, to do something that should not be done, but you cannot give glory and dishonor at the same time. Glory does not come from dishonor except for the chief of the dishonorable.

Agape you know you are rationalizing to justify...I know how smart you are...so l won't respond....turn

Pam you said:



God uses the mistakes we make if we receive the chastisement. Divorce isn't receiving the chastisement..it's compounding sin. It's when we stay God uses it to mold us...

In otherwards...when we fully turn to God he uses the things in our life that were meant to destroy us for good.

I'm a living witness to it.

That should answer your question: This woman has had five husbands, but now the sixth one , she did not marry, she was only living with him, and Jesus said:he is not thy husband

If people genuinely understood what they are actually engaged in during a sex act out of wedlock, whether fornication or adultery (any form of sexual intimacy and oral sex), believe me they would never do it. To engage in this type of promiscuous sex creates spiritual "soul ties" between the two participants and they mutually become bonded to each others’ impregnated demons. If the body is not a temple onto God, then it is a temple onto lesser gods, the demonic realm. Licentious sex results in the manifestation of "demonic transference" of unclean spirits that impregnate themselves into the sexual genitilia and orifices of the human host. In the opening of the mouth, cervix, or anal sphincter muscle (in anal sex), the demons set up camp to receive their “god” the phallus (Baal). Thus, the human host is mutually engaged “unknowingly” in the worship of “another” god (demons), which are phallic, sphincter and cervical spirits. This is in defiance of the First Commandment, "I am The Lord your God, Who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me." (Exodus 20:2-3 RSV) This is why homosexuality is called an “abomination”, because it violates the First Commandment via the sexual worship through sodomy (anal sex) of other gods within the bodily temple, which is to be reserved onto God. These spirits produce the insatiable sexual appetite that the human host begins to assimilate and outwardly exhibit, driving the human host to escalate towards more outrageous high risk sexual behavior and activity, and sexual experimentation, i.e. S & M, orgies, anonymous sex, partner swapping (swinging), etc. Ultimately, the demonic agenda is to drive the human host towards death, via STDs, AIDS, suffocation (roping), and a wide assortment of other means through the insatiable desire for the ultimate sexual gratification, which, of course, is never fulfilled.

YUK!...

Where did you hear that?!

From an assortment of sources and personal experiences. Check out Leanne Payne's ministry, "Pastoral Care Ministries" in Wheaton, Illinois. Leanne has written several books on healing the sexually broken and the homosexual through Christ's Redemptive Deed upon the Cross. One of her key books is "The Broken Image" where she identifies a syndrome that she calls the "cannibal compulsion" which is at the core of homosexuality, the sexually broken and pedophilia.

Also check out the ministry of Andy Comisky in Kansas City, Missouri, called "Desert Stream Ministries" and their program "Living Waters" for the sexually broken, both heterosexuals and homosexuals. Andy was mentored by Leanne, they are both prolific writers, and gifted in "healing of memories" the critical point of woundedness in a child's life that subsequently skewed the child's sexual identity and self-image becoming an unaffirmed deficit that the skewed individual attempts to fill all in the wrong ways due to "symbolic confusion", particularly via the cannibal compulsion and same sex eroticism, attempting to "ingest" the missing trait from others.

I went through both Leanne's and Andy's programs and studied under Andy as a Living Waters program scholar/leader. I am a former homosexual and drag queen. I jokingly call my testimony, "God Saved the Queen!" I have been a "Born Again" Christian for 25 years; I am now 51 years old. I have also attended several of the Exodus International Conferences for ex-Gays and ex-Lesbians in Christ.

The Lord has shown me much of this stuff in my walk with Him as He incrementally and gradually healed me. So I have an understanding of the demonic nature's modus operandi that is experiential. I also have a more thorough understanding of "True Man" and "True Woman" than the typical person has not had to deal with. I found that most heterosexuals lack understanding in this area because they never had to analyze their sexual identity from the inside out like the ex-Gays and ex-Lesbians have had to. But in this type of work it is also important not to focus upon “practicing the presence of evil” in the process and telling of the process. Though I can tell you stories that will make your head spin (literally), it is the breakthroughs in Christ and the defeating of the demonic strongholds that are paramount.

There is tangible participation by the demonic in literally every sexual perversion that most people, and even Christians, are not fully aware. Even in masturbation and pornography (and Internet-porn) the malevolent sexual spirits are actually mutually engaged with the participants. Last year Christ told me, “Satan is behind Internet pornography.”

WOW Seven! Praise God for your deliverance!!!!

God saved the Queen..Good one! We need you here. Lots of people come through this web site with sexual trials.

I want to say to people though....

Don't be dismayed at the complexity of the deliverance Seven went through. (I have read about some of this myself) If you are in need of deliverance and someone God sent across your path hasn't been obedient to the call and you are lingering on the border of despair...

DON'T GIVE UP! God can set you free. When there is no one else..He will do it himself. He will take you through a method that is just right for you and he'll let you know he is at work and give you hope and encouragement all along the way. Just stay...Just stand...even in despair make a commitment unto death that you will love and forgive and submit no matter what the cost... That's the first hardest part.

Then ask yourself...Why would l have ever have thought making such a commitment was grievous?

If you commit to prayer and meditation on God's word he will deliver you with signs and of confirmation following. This can mean hours in brokenness before the Lord.

I'm not against your method at all Seven...But some people never have access to even a companion in this...GOD CAN DO IT! That's the hope l want to give people. Just take the first step as above mentioned.

You will be surprised at what God can open your mind to in the way of understanding.

Thanks for being brave Seven...

Boldness is fearlessness in Christ where one steps aside and forgets about their self and allows Christ to emanate. There is nothing to fear in your boldness in Him because "what is done to the least of His is done onto Him". Thus, it is he that steps before you in your boldness.

The most significant thing that Christ showed me in my healing is the existence of an "Emasculation and Defeminization Spectrum". ALL men are born emasculated, and ALL women are born defeminized, for we all fall short of the Glory of God, and this condition is due to the Great Fall of Man(kind), inclusive of both genders. No one, no not one is sexually whole, but rather we are all born into the world sexually broken, for we have not yet been restored to the state of True Man and True Woman in Christ, nor have we yet been reconciled back to the Father until after we go through the "Rebirth" in Christ.

In the Emasculation and Defeminization Spectrum (EDS) ALL men and ALL women can be organized into three basic groups. At one end of the spectrum is the demonstratively Gay male (the effeminant homosexual), including the transvestite, transgender, and also the demonstratively defeminized Lesbian. They are ALL sexually broken beings who are tragically turned in on the self resulting in “same sex” relationships. They “unknowingly” worship the “self-image” as a god, and glorify the sexual image of man and woman to be adulated, being idolatry of the “broken image”.

However, likewise at the opposite end of the EDS is also emasculation and defeminization where the “Rambo Machismo” heterosexual and the Hollywood-esque blonde bombshell sex goddess are skewed men and women depicted as idols, gods and goddesses to be worshipped for there physical self image. This too is emasculation and defeminization where women worship the male form and men worship the female form. There is also an inordinate preoccupation and self-absorption with their own self-image, a self-worship, a Narcissism. This is not True Man and True Woman, but far from it; it is also idolatry of the “broken image”, and thus is emasculation and defeminization.

Now, it is in the center of this spectrum that True Man and True Woman are located, dividing the spectrum in half. Here are those in Christ who are on the road to sexual recovery, working out their Salvation in fear and trembling, putting off the “old nature” and apprehending the “New Christocentric Nature”. True Man and True Woman is defined by the word “human”, being full of “humility”, “humbleness”, “selflessness”, “non-haughty”, “non-arrogant” and “non-aggressive”. This is True Man and True Woman reconciled back to the Image of God, for their image is not their own, but a reflection of His Image. Hence, their “broken image” has been restored back to its True Form. They are dead to the self, and transfixed upon Christ, Himself. To find your True Self, one must loose their self and die to the self daily, die to that broken image, putting on Christ. This is achieved through the “State of the Eternal Child” where one is dead to the self, unaware of the self, and transfixed upon Christ, Himself.

You know you're right Seven...I never really thought about it that closely before....

but we really are in a sexually broken world...

It should be interesting when Christ comes and puts things in order...

I can only "guess" as to what that will be like, but my best "educated guess" tells me that it lies in the attribute imbedded in "woman", who since the Fall has received the brunt end of the deal. The word "woman" literally means "co-wary", or "co-awareness", and this gives us a clue as to how things will be when, as you say it, "Christ comes and puts things together". Hence, in the state of True Man and True Woman I believe we will be "co-wary" with each other, and with Christ, Himself. In other words, "before" we voice our wants, wishes and desires, they will already be perceived and fulfilled.





Thanks a kazillion... and bless you Miss Laurel!

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