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A COUNTDOWN CALENDAR

God provided two witnesses, Moses and Peter, to proclaim the kingdoms of man and the Messianic Kingdom to come. To correspond to the same pattern set in place at creation in Gen. 1:1-31 and Gen. 2:1-3.

"For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night." (Psalm 90:4)

"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." (2 Peter 3:8)

“And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.” (Genesis 6:3)

A SABBATICAL CYCLE

A Sabbatical cycle is seven ‘weeks of seven’ totaling 49 years, the seventh year in each week is a Sabbatical week, in which no planting or sowing was done, (Exodus 23:11) it was a sabbath year of rest for the land. Another additional week was added to the seventh cycle, completing a 50-year Jubilee cycle.

Therefore 120 Jubilee cycles of 50 years equals the 6000 years of the days of man.

The word used in Genesis 6:3 for years is actually shaneh. The literal translation of that word is "a division of time" or "a repeating cycle".

Consequently, at the ‘fall’ it was established and proclaimed in Genesis 6:3, that there would be 6000 years of the days of man.

Therefore, please pay close attention, as God wants His people to know what time it is on His calendar as the countdown has commenced!

6000 YEARS FROM THE ‘FALL AND CALL’ TO ADAM

5993 years from the ‘fall’ of Adam and God’s call to him was recorded in a 1939 article in ‘Destiny’ magazine, click link http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/brit...sh-israel-2.htm

The book of Daniel was ‘still sealed’ and Israel had not yet been declared a nation so at that time, 62 years into the future who could even speculate an additional ‘seven years and 10 days’ of the “days of man” would still be required to fulfill the cycle.

Tishri 1, year 8 to Elul 29, 6001 ended on 9-17-2001 completing 856 ‘weeks of seven or 5992 years plus 1 from the ‘fall and call’ to Adam (Genesis 3:9).

I believe September 18, 2001 marked the arrival of the final 857th ‘week of seven’ as marked off from Adams fall. 857 X 7 = 5999 years + 1 = 6000 years (1 BC to 1 CE add 1 year) it runs as follows:

THE LAST ‘WEEK OF SEVEN’ IN THE FINAL 49 YEAR ‘SABBATICAL CYCLE’ OF YEARS

Year 1 September 18, 2001 through September 6, 2002
Year 2 September 7, 2002 through September 26, 2003
Year 3 September 27, 2003 through September 15, 2004
Year 4 September 16, 2004 through October 3, 2005
Year 5 October 4, 2005 through September 22, 2006
Year 6 September 23, 2006 through September 12, 2007
Year 7 September 13, 2007 through September 29, 2008

THE 10 DAYS OF YEAR 8

Year 8 - September 30, 2008 Is the day I believe Yeshua returns with the Year of Jubilee beginning on October 9, 2008 on the Day of Atonement as the Millennium begins. The 'vision' of 2300 days is a second witness to this.

An understanding of the last ‘week of seven’, or seven-year Sabbatical week, is essential in grasping the urgency of the times we are living.

Where the confusion comes from and why questions are asked is because we are in the year 2007 and people think the calendars are wrong or the Bible isn’t true, because God’s word says ‘4000’ years to Yeshua and 2000 years to his return?

SEVEN YEARS IN PARADISE UNTIL THE FALL

The serpent came to Eve on Iyyar 17, 3993 BC, in the second month, in the eighth year after creation.

The Book of Jubilees in chapter 3:17 says:

“And after the completion of the seven years, which he (Satan) had completed there, seven years exactly, and in the second month, on the seventeenth day (of the month), the serpent came and approached the woman, and the serpent said to the woman, 'Hath God commanded you, saying, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?

The book of Jubilees, like the books of Jasher and Enoch referenced in scripture are historical documents of scriptural texts.

After Eve "saw" the subtle deceptive words of the serpent and fell for the lie, the Word tells us that they sewed "fig leaves" together. (Genesis 3:7) Therein lays the key to the time of season, as it would have been the end of summer, (Tishri) the "season of repentance" just prior to Tishri 10, 8.

Did the Lord "call" to Adam on Tishri 1, 8 or 3993 BC? (Gen. 3:9).

Then on Tishri 10, 8 or 3993 BC on Yom Kippur, did God pass sentences on the serpent and Adam and Eve (Genesis 3:14-18) and "cover" them with the sacrificed animal's skins? (Genesis 3:21) This being in the eighth year as Adam and Eve were given circumcised hearts and forgiven by God as He “covered them”?

6000 YEARS OF THE “DAYS OF MAN”

Nisan 1, 1 or 4000 BC to Adar 29, 3994 was 7 full years that Adam and Eve were set apart with God in Paradise, they then being tempted and covered during the first 6 months and 10 days of the ‘eighth’ year.

It is here on Tishri 10, 8 or 3993 BC the “6000 years of man” began. WE HAVE BEEN AND ARE FULFILLING that first ‘week of seven’ and 10 days, since September 18, 2001

These 6008 years of recorded history, SHORTENED by six months, (Mark 13:20) I believe end on Tishri 10, 6008 or October 9, 2008 and end this age.

The shortening of the days had to do with Israel using an ‘agricultural’ calendar while in Egypt 430 years, it began on Tishri 1 but once they got out of Egypt, God changed it, making Nisan 1, the first month, so in reality when this occurred, they lost six months. (Exodus 12:2)

Those SIX MONTHS WILL BECOME CRITICAL because if they had not been shortened, Yeshua said in Mark 13:20 “no flesh should be saved”! A very telling statement, do we really know how many nuclear bombs there are in the world, our Lord does and He shortened the days!

September 18, 2001 started the last sabbatical ‘week of sevens’ that ends on Elul 29, 6008 or September 29, 2008 with the return of Yeshua and God pouring out His wrath during the final 10 days leading up to Tishri 10 that ends this age and the days of man.

Tishri 10, 6008 or October 9, 2008 is the final separation of the sheep and the goats (Matthew 25:31-46) as judgment is sealed in the Millennium.

Note: 5993 years from the ‘fall’ and ‘call’ were completed on September 17, 2001 with 7 additional years and ten days, fulfilling the final 6000 years of the ‘time of man’ that end on 9 October 2008!

ANOTHER RECENT WITNESS IN JERUSALEM

As a 2nd witness, early in the year 2005, renowned Jewish Rabbi Kaduri predicted great tragedies in the world and just two weeks before the devastating tsunami in Southeast Asia, Rabbi Kaduri was quoted in the Yediot Acharonot newspaper as saying:

"We are now in the fourth year (that ended on 2 October 2005) of what could be the seven-year Redemption period, (that would end on September 30, 2008) according to the calculation of the Vilna Gaon. However in the coming three years, uncertainty about the future will hang over our heads, unless we work and strive that the Messiah be revealed”.

This was a fascinating statement, on August 15 that year the Gush Katiff expulsions began and on July 12, 2006, the war with Lebanon broke out, “uncertainty about their future” is now an understatement!

The 6000 years of man will be complete and Yeshua will "call". The trumpet blast of Rosh Hashanah symbolizes a gathering together of the “dead in Christ” and those who are still alive and there “rising with changed bodies” to meet Him in the air!

Giving Him the glory A Ezekiel 33:6 watching one
REPENT the Kingdom of God is at hand, make your election SURE
Preterist
QUOTE(Gavrial @ Mar 1 2007, 11:56 PM) [snapback]104001[/snapback]

A COUNTDOWN CALENDAR

God provided two witnesses, Moses and Peter, to proclaim the kingdoms of man and the Messianic Kingdom to come. To correspond to the same pattern set in place at creation in Gen. 1:1-31 and Gen. 2:1-3.

"For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night." (Psalm 90:4)

"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." (2 Peter 3:8)

“And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.” (Genesis 6:3)

A SABBATICAL CYCLE

A Sabbatical cycle is seven ‘weeks of seven’ totaling 49 years, the seventh year in each week is a Sabbatical week, in which no planting or sowing was done, (Exodus 23:11) it was a sabbath year of rest for the land. Another additional week was added to the seventh cycle, completing a 50-year Jubilee cycle.

Therefore 120 Jubilee cycles of 50 years equals the 6000 years of the days of man.

The word used in Genesis 6:3 for years is actually shaneh. The literal translation of that word is "a division of time" or "a repeating cycle".

Consequently, at the ‘fall’ it was established and proclaimed in Genesis 6:3, that there would be 6000 years of the days of man.

Therefore, please pay close attention, as God wants His people to know what time it is on His calendar as the countdown has commenced!

6000 YEARS FROM THE ‘FALL AND CALL’ TO ADAM

5993 years from the ‘fall’ of Adam and God’s call to him was recorded in a 1939 article in ‘Destiny’ magazine, click link http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/brit...sh-israel-2.htm

The book of Daniel was ‘still sealed’ and Israel had not yet been declared a nation so at that time, 62 years into the future who could even speculate an additional ‘seven years and 10 days’ of the “days of man” would still be required to fulfill the cycle.

Tishri 1, year 8 to Elul 29, 6001 ended on 9-17-2001 completing 856 ‘weeks of seven or 5992 years plus 1 from the ‘fall and call’ to Adam (Genesis 3:9).

I believe September 18, 2001 marked the arrival of the final 857th ‘week of seven’ as marked off from Adams fall. 857 X 7 = 5999 years + 1 = 6000 years (1 BC to 1 CE add 1 year) it runs as follows:

THE LAST ‘WEEK OF SEVEN’ IN THE FINAL 49 YEAR ‘SABBATICAL CYCLE’ OF YEARS

Year 1 September 18, 2001 through September 6, 2002
Year 2 September 7, 2002 through September 26, 2003
Year 3 September 27, 2003 through September 15, 2004
Year 4 September 16, 2004 through October 3, 2005
Year 5 October 4, 2005 through September 22, 2006
Year 6 September 23, 2006 through September 12, 2007
Year 7 September 13, 2007 through September 29, 2008

THE 10 DAYS OF YEAR 8

Year 8 - September 30, 2008 Is the day I believe Yeshua returns with the Year of Jubilee beginning on October 9, 2008 on the Day of Atonement as the Millennium begins. The 'vision' of 2300 days is a second witness to this.

An understanding of the last ‘week of seven’, or seven-year Sabbatical week, is essential in grasping the urgency of the times we are living.

Where the confusion comes from and why questions are asked is because we are in the year 2007 and people think the calendars are wrong or the Bible isn’t true, because God’s word says ‘4000’ years to Yeshua and 2000 years to his return?

SEVEN YEARS IN PARADISE UNTIL THE FALL

The serpent came to Eve on Iyyar 17, 3993 BC, in the second month, in the eighth year after creation.

The Book of Jubilees in chapter 3:17 says:

“And after the completion of the seven years, which he (Satan) had completed there, seven years exactly, and in the second month, on the seventeenth day (of the month), the serpent came and approached the woman, and the serpent said to the woman, 'Hath God commanded you, saying, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?

The book of Jubilees, like the books of Jasher and Enoch referenced in scripture are historical documents of scriptural texts.

After Eve "saw" the subtle deceptive words of the serpent and fell for the lie, the Word tells us that they sewed "fig leaves" together. (Genesis 3:7) Therein lays the key to the time of season, as it would have been the end of summer, (Tishri) the "season of repentance" just prior to Tishri 10, 8.

Did the Lord "call" to Adam on Tishri 1, 8 or 3993 BC? (Gen. 3:9).

Then on Tishri 10, 8 or 3993 BC on Yom Kippur, did God pass sentences on the serpent and Adam and Eve (Genesis 3:14-18) and "cover" them with the sacrificed animal's skins? (Genesis 3:21) This being in the eighth year as Adam and Eve were given circumcised hearts and forgiven by God as He “covered them”?

6000 YEARS OF THE “DAYS OF MAN”

Nisan 1, 1 or 4000 BC to Adar 29, 3994 was 7 full years that Adam and Eve were set apart with God in Paradise, they then being tempted and covered during the first 6 months and 10 days of the ‘eighth’ year.

It is here on Tishri 10, 8 or 3993 BC the “6000 years of man” began. WE HAVE BEEN AND ARE FULFILLING that first ‘week of seven’ and 10 days, since September 18, 2001

These 6008 years of recorded history, SHORTENED by six months, (Mark 13:20) I believe end on Tishri 10, 6008 or October 9, 2008 and end this age.

The shortening of the days had to do with Israel using an ‘agricultural’ calendar while in Egypt 430 years, it began on Tishri 1 but once they got out of Egypt, God changed it, making Nisan 1, the first month, so in reality when this occurred, they lost six months. (Exodus 12:2)

Those SIX MONTHS WILL BECOME CRITICAL because if they had not been shortened, Yeshua said in Mark 13:20 “no flesh should be saved”! A very telling statement, do we really know how many nuclear bombs there are in the world, our Lord does and He shortened the days!

September 18, 2001 started the last sabbatical ‘week of sevens’ that ends on Elul 29, 6008 or September 29, 2008 with the return of Yeshua and God pouring out His wrath during the final 10 days leading up to Tishri 10 that ends this age and the days of man.

Tishri 10, 6008 or October 9, 2008 is the final separation of the sheep and the goats (Matthew 25:31-46) as judgment is sealed in the Millennium.

Note: 5993 years from the ‘fall’ and ‘call’ were completed on September 17, 2001 with 7 additional years and ten days, fulfilling the final 6000 years of the ‘time of man’ that end on 9 October 2008!

ANOTHER RECENT WITNESS IN JERUSALEM

As a 2nd witness, early in the year 2005, renowned Jewish Rabbi Kaduri predicted great tragedies in the world and just two weeks before the devastating tsunami in Southeast Asia, Rabbi Kaduri was quoted in the Yediot Acharonot newspaper as saying:

"We are now in the fourth year (that ended on 2 October 2005) of what could be the seven-year Redemption period, (that would end on September 30, 2008) according to the calculation of the Vilna Gaon. However in the coming three years, uncertainty about the future will hang over our heads, unless we work and strive that the Messiah be revealed”.

This was a fascinating statement, on August 15 that year the Gush Katiff expulsions began and on July 12, 2006, the war with Lebanon broke out, “uncertainty about their future” is now an understatement!

The 6000 years of man will be complete and Yeshua will "call". The trumpet blast of Rosh Hashanah symbolizes a gathering together of the “dead in Christ” and those who are still alive and there “rising with changed bodies” to meet Him in the air!

Giving Him the glory A Ezekiel 33:6 watching one
REPENT the Kingdom of God is at hand, make your election SURE


Lord willing and I'm still around, I'll be starting my Christmas shopping around October 9, 2008 and will be celebrating on December 25, 2008! And yet another false date setting will be behind us!

REPENT the Kingdom of God is at hand--it WAS at hand then; it is not at hand now!

Preterist


duncdrewnoah
QUOTE(Preterist @ Mar 2 2007, 06:40 AM) [snapback]104014[/snapback]

QUOTE(Gavrial @ Mar 1 2007, 11:56 PM) [snapback]104001[/snapback]

A COUNTDOWN CALENDAR

God provided two witnesses, Moses and Peter, to proclaim the kingdoms of man and the Messianic Kingdom to come. To correspond to the same pattern set in place at creation in Gen. 1:1-31 and Gen. 2:1-3.

"For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night." (Psalm 90:4)

"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." (2 Peter 3:8)

“And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.” (Genesis 6:3)

A SABBATICAL CYCLE

A Sabbatical cycle is seven ‘weeks of seven’ totaling 49 years, the seventh year in each week is a Sabbatical week, in which no planting or sowing was done, (Exodus 23:11) it was a sabbath year of rest for the land. Another additional week was added to the seventh cycle, completing a 50-year Jubilee cycle.

Therefore 120 Jubilee cycles of 50 years equals the 6000 years of the days of man.

The word used in Genesis 6:3 for years is actually shaneh. The literal translation of that word is "a division of time" or "a repeating cycle".

Consequently, at the ‘fall’ it was established and proclaimed in Genesis 6:3, that there would be 6000 years of the days of man.

Therefore, please pay close attention, as God wants His people to know what time it is on His calendar as the countdown has commenced!

6000 YEARS FROM THE ‘FALL AND CALL’ TO ADAM

5993 years from the ‘fall’ of Adam and God’s call to him was recorded in a 1939 article in ‘Destiny’ magazine, click link http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/brit...sh-israel-2.htm

The book of Daniel was ‘still sealed’ and Israel had not yet been declared a nation so at that time, 62 years into the future who could even speculate an additional ‘seven years and 10 days’ of the “days of man” would still be required to fulfill the cycle.

Tishri 1, year 8 to Elul 29, 6001 ended on 9-17-2001 completing 856 ‘weeks of seven or 5992 years plus 1 from the ‘fall and call’ to Adam (Genesis 3:9).

I believe September 18, 2001 marked the arrival of the final 857th ‘week of seven’ as marked off from Adams fall. 857 X 7 = 5999 years + 1 = 6000 years (1 BC to 1 CE add 1 year) it runs as follows:

THE LAST ‘WEEK OF SEVEN’ IN THE FINAL 49 YEAR ‘SABBATICAL CYCLE’ OF YEARS

Year 1 September 18, 2001 through September 6, 2002
Year 2 September 7, 2002 through September 26, 2003
Year 3 September 27, 2003 through September 15, 2004
Year 4 September 16, 2004 through October 3, 2005
Year 5 October 4, 2005 through September 22, 2006
Year 6 September 23, 2006 through September 12, 2007
Year 7 September 13, 2007 through September 29, 2008

THE 10 DAYS OF YEAR 8

Year 8 - September 30, 2008 Is the day I believe Yeshua returns with the Year of Jubilee beginning on October 9, 2008 on the Day of Atonement as the Millennium begins. The 'vision' of 2300 days is a second witness to this.

An understanding of the last ‘week of seven’, or seven-year Sabbatical week, is essential in grasping the urgency of the times we are living.

Where the confusion comes from and why questions are asked is because we are in the year 2007 and people think the calendars are wrong or the Bible isn’t true, because God’s word says ‘4000’ years to Yeshua and 2000 years to his return?

SEVEN YEARS IN PARADISE UNTIL THE FALL

The serpent came to Eve on Iyyar 17, 3993 BC, in the second month, in the eighth year after creation.

The Book of Jubilees in chapter 3:17 says:

“And after the completion of the seven years, which he (Satan) had completed there, seven years exactly, and in the second month, on the seventeenth day (of the month), the serpent came and approached the woman, and the serpent said to the woman, 'Hath God commanded you, saying, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?

The book of Jubilees, like the books of Jasher and Enoch referenced in scripture are historical documents of scriptural texts.

After Eve "saw" the subtle deceptive words of the serpent and fell for the lie, the Word tells us that they sewed "fig leaves" together. (Genesis 3:7) Therein lays the key to the time of season, as it would have been the end of summer, (Tishri) the "season of repentance" just prior to Tishri 10, 8.

Did the Lord "call" to Adam on Tishri 1, 8 or 3993 BC? (Gen. 3:9).

Then on Tishri 10, 8 or 3993 BC on Yom Kippur, did God pass sentences on the serpent and Adam and Eve (Genesis 3:14-18) and "cover" them with the sacrificed animal's skins? (Genesis 3:21) This being in the eighth year as Adam and Eve were given circumcised hearts and forgiven by God as He “covered them”?

6000 YEARS OF THE “DAYS OF MAN”

Nisan 1, 1 or 4000 BC to Adar 29, 3994 was 7 full years that Adam and Eve were set apart with God in Paradise, they then being tempted and covered during the first 6 months and 10 days of the ‘eighth’ year.

It is here on Tishri 10, 8 or 3993 BC the “6000 years of man” began. WE HAVE BEEN AND ARE FULFILLING that first ‘week of seven’ and 10 days, since September 18, 2001

These 6008 years of recorded history, SHORTENED by six months, (Mark 13:20) I believe end on Tishri 10, 6008 or October 9, 2008 and end this age.

The shortening of the days had to do with Israel using an ‘agricultural’ calendar while in Egypt 430 years, it began on Tishri 1 but once they got out of Egypt, God changed it, making Nisan 1, the first month, so in reality when this occurred, they lost six months. (Exodus 12:2)

Those SIX MONTHS WILL BECOME CRITICAL because if they had not been shortened, Yeshua said in Mark 13:20 “no flesh should be saved”! A very telling statement, do we really know how many nuclear bombs there are in the world, our Lord does and He shortened the days!

September 18, 2001 started the last sabbatical ‘week of sevens’ that ends on Elul 29, 6008 or September 29, 2008 with the return of Yeshua and God pouring out His wrath during the final 10 days leading up to Tishri 10 that ends this age and the days of man.

Tishri 10, 6008 or October 9, 2008 is the final separation of the sheep and the goats (Matthew 25:31-46) as judgment is sealed in the Millennium.

Note: 5993 years from the ‘fall’ and ‘call’ were completed on September 17, 2001 with 7 additional years and ten days, fulfilling the final 6000 years of the ‘time of man’ that end on 9 October 2008!

ANOTHER RECENT WITNESS IN JERUSALEM

As a 2nd witness, early in the year 2005, renowned Jewish Rabbi Kaduri predicted great tragedies in the world and just two weeks before the devastating tsunami in Southeast Asia, Rabbi Kaduri was quoted in the Yediot Acharonot newspaper as saying:

"We are now in the fourth year (that ended on 2 October 2005) of what could be the seven-year Redemption period, (that would end on September 30, 2008) according to the calculation of the Vilna Gaon. However in the coming three years, uncertainty about the future will hang over our heads, unless we work and strive that the Messiah be revealed”.

This was a fascinating statement, on August 15 that year the Gush Katiff expulsions began and on July 12, 2006, the war with Lebanon broke out, “uncertainty about their future” is now an understatement!

The 6000 years of man will be complete and Yeshua will "call". The trumpet blast of Rosh Hashanah symbolizes a gathering together of the “dead in Christ” and those who are still alive and there “rising with changed bodies” to meet Him in the air!

Giving Him the glory A Ezekiel 33:6 watching one
REPENT the Kingdom of God is at hand, make your election SURE


Lord willing and I'm still around, I'll be starting my Christmas shopping around October 9, 2008 and will be celebrating on December 25, 2008! And yet another false date setting will be behind us!

REPENT the Kingdom of God is at hand--it WAS at hand then; it is not at hand now!

Preterist


hey gavrial,

I dont think you are too far off here...I have been studing the 6000 yr thing for over a yr...I have posted on here before that my studies lead me to think that yom kippur of this yr is the start of yr 5992, which makes me then say the trib will be starting in the next couple or few yrs (i could be off a yr or two either way). Course we disagree on the 2nd coming being next yr....but there is no doubt, the end of 6000 yr is close.

Hey, pre..

I am still confused on the hole pre theory of yours. You think Jesus has already come? Is he coming agian?
Preterist
[quote name='duncdrewnoah' date='Mar 2 2007, 11:01 AM' post='104044']
[quote name='Preterist' post='104014' date='Mar 2 2007, 06:40 AM']

Hey, pre..

I am still confused on the hole pre theory of yours. You think Jesus has already come? Is he coming agian?
[/quote]


duncdrewnoah: I and many others like me have reached the conclusion that Jesus has already come based upon clear time statements in the Bible. There has been and continues to be a failure on the part of modern Christendom to deal honestly with these time statements. This neglect has opened wide the door for skeptics and atheists to charge our Lord and the inspired writers with lying and deception and to label Christianity a false religion. These are serious charges that must be dealt with. Like generations before us, we must have sound apologetics against those who desire to deny the veracity of the Scriptures and the deity of our Lord. I believe that preterism (past fulfillment) is the only biblical and sound defense. In other words, the only answer for the charges of non-occurrence is occurrence!

So what saith the Scriptures? What do we do, whether futurists or preterists, with the following statements:

"The coming of the Lord is AT HAND" (James 5:8)
"The end of all things is AT HAND" (1 Peter 4:7)
"THIS generation will by no means pass away till ALL these things take place" (Matt. 24:34).
"The axe is ALREADY laid at the root of the trees" (Luke 3:9)
"From now on, you [Caiaphas, the chief priests, the scribes, the elders, the whole Sanhedrin] will be seeing
the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power and COMING on the clouds of heaven" (Matt. 26:64)
"The kingdom of God is AT HAND" (Mark 1:15)
"The God of peace will SOON crush Satan under your feet" (Rom. 16:20)
"For yet a VERY LITTLE WHILE, He who is coming WILL COME, and will NOT delay" (Heb. 10:37)
"Be patient, therefore, brethren, until the COMING of the Lord" (James 5:7)
"The world is passing away and its desires" (1 Jn. 2:18)
"It is the last hour" (1 Jn. 2:18)
"The time is NEAR" (Rev. 1:3)
"Nevertheless what you have, hold fast until I COME" (Rev. 2:25)
"I am coming QUICKLY" (Rev. 3:11)
". . . to show His bond-servants the things which must SHORTLY take place" (Rev. 1:3; 22:6)
"Behold, I am coming QUICKLY" (Rev. 22:7, 12, 20)

There are many other statements which indicate that Jesus was to return to THAT generation--pre-AD70. The futurists' attempt at answering these time references with an appeal to 2 Peter 3:8 is very unsatisfactory. It is disturbing to me that such words as "soon," "at hand," "quickly," "near," and "about to" are taken in their normal, everyday, common, usual usages in non-eschatological contexts by futurists but are redefined or qualified by 2 Peter 3:8 in eschatological passages. Is this being honest with the text? I believe that futurists MUST exercise hermeneutical calisthenics with such time statements because to take them in a normal manner would severely negate their position of the end times.

Another very disturbing thing to me is the modern-day propensity to ignore the sitz im leben of the NT writings. Passages are taught every Sunday in our churches across the land where little is made of their contexts and the audience relevance. Everything is about us! But we cannot hope to make proper application of the words of Scripture unless and until we understand why they were written, to whom they were directly written and what they meant to those who first heard them!

Preterism does not resort to gaps, redefinitions, and unreasonable postponements (2 Peter 3:8) when dealing with the Scriptures. Any good student of the Scriptures can see, as many scholars do, that the Apostle Paul, Peter, John, and the writer of Hebrews expected a soon "end" and a soon fulfillment of ALL things. Furthermore, they were led by the Holy Spirit to write what they wrote. Were these men wrong by teaching a soon return of the Lord in their lifetimes? Did the Holy Spirit Himself mislead them?

In conclusion, we will never understand the WHAT until we pin down (biblically) the WHEN. Whether one is a futurist or a preterist, he must deal honestly with the time statements in the Scriptures and give a logical and consistent defense against those today who would label Christianity a false religion and who point their fingers at our Lord and the inspired writers and cry, "liars!"

In Christ, Preterist
mmddll
Gavrial, I am unfamiliar with the book of Jubilees. Is there an online site to read it?

Anyway, I have an alternate theory which is close to what you are saying because of Genesis 6:3, except I had not accounted for the jubilee cycle, but:

from Adam to Abraham's birth is 1946 years. Some calculations arrive at Abraham's birth to be 2166 B.C.(according to timelines beginning from Solomon's temple and working backwards) Accounting for the discrepancy in the Gregorian calendar gives us Christ's birth at around 5-4 B.C. which would put Abraham's birth at approximately 2162 years before Christ's birth, for a total of 4108 years from the creation of Adam to the birth of Christ. Add 4 years =4112 years to 1 A.D.

Therefore, if you add 2008 years (the year 2008 A.D.) to 4112, it comes to 6120 years (6000 for man plus 120 years for man's lifespan given in Genesis 6:3)

I discovered an interesting pattern when looking at the life and deaths of Abraham and Jesus.

Abraham lived 175 years. 1946 + 175 = 2121 years from Adam's creation to Abraham's death.

Jesus lived 33 years before being crucified (ministry of 30 years age and 3 1/2 years to death and resurrection.)

4108 years from Adam is Jesus' birth. Add 33 to 4108 = 4141

Now we have 2121 and 4141 which is a difference of 2020 (as in 20/20 vision? We walk by faith, not by sight?). There is a reason for these double numbers that I think probably has something to do with Thomas (meaning "twin") and also the "dividing" of God's land in the end times. This probably has something to do with the "two witnesses" and the phrase "a matter must be confirmed by the testimony of 2 or 3 witnesses". Any ideas?

If you add 2121 and 4141 together (this is just an arbitrary observation), it comes to 6262. Daniel's prophecy of the Messiah being "cut off" is conspicuously divided 62 weeks and 7 weeks. Jesus' genealogy in Matthew is divided into 3 sets of 14 from Abraham to David, David to Babylon, Babylon to Christ. Daniel was in Babylon at the time of his prophecy of the Messiah being cut off.

P.S. Thomas seems to coincide with the "scoffers" in the last days who say "where is the promise of his coming?"


The Day of the Lord



Pamela
This might help mmddll....I am not certain if your not familar with the Jubliees cycle so I will post this for you...Also go to this website and read what it says...
http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/haskell_jubilee.html

Return to "Autumn Feasts"

Additional Feast Held Once Every 50 Years, But Tied To The Day Of Atonement

Jubile:- Second coming of Jesus, His people receive their inheritance.

Deuteronomy 31:10 And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles,

Leviticus 25:9 Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.

Leviticus 25:10 And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.

Leviticus 25:11 A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed.

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

The "TYPE" and the "ANTITYPE" correspond to each other...For example the Lev 25:10 corresponds to Thess. 4: 16,17...

Type

Leviticus 25:10. The Jubilee gave liberty to everyone.

Leviticus 25:9. The blast of the trumpet announced the Jubilee.

Leviticus 25:9. The Jubilee began on the Day of Atonement, the type of the judgment.

Leviticus 24:13. In the year of the Jubilee every man returned to his own possessions.

Leviticus 25:23. The Lord always owned the land. Man was only a steward.

Leviticus 25:48-49; Ruth 2:20, margin. Only one nigh of kin had the right to redeem.

Leviticus 25:47-51. The persons of those sold in bondage were redeemed and set free.

Leviticus 25:25-28. The land could be redeemed by one nigh of kin.

Leviticus 25:29-30. Dwelling-houses in walled cities did not revert to the original owners in the Jubilee

Leviticus 25:32-33. Dwelling-houses in the cities of the Levites could be redeemed. They all reverted to the original owners in the Jubilee. The priests were a type of Christ

Genesis 2:2-3. The weekly Sabbath was a stepping-stone toward the Jubilee.


Antitype

1 Thessalonians 4:16 17. The living and the dead will all be given freedom.

1 Corinthians 15:51-53. The blast of the trumpet of the Lord gives freedom to all.

Revelation 22:11-12. Immediately after the decree is issued which closes the judgment, Christ comes.

Isaiah 35:1-10. The ransomed of the Lord will enjoy the redeemed earth forever.

Psalms 24:1; 1 Corinthians 10 26, 28. The Lord owns all the earth. He has never relinquished his title to the land.

Hebrews 2:14-16. Jesus was born of the seed of Abraham that He might be nigh of kin.

Hebrews 8:23; Hosea 13:14. He that is nigh of kin, says. "I will ransom them from the power of the grave."

Ephesians 1:14. Christ has purchased the possession of His people.

Revelation 16:19; Jeremiah 4:26. All earthly cities will be destroyed at Christ's second coming.

Hebrews 11:10;16; Revelation 21:1-27. Christ the antitypical priest, has a city which will be given to His people in the antitypical Jubilee.

Isaiah 66:22,23. The Sabbath will be observed on the new earth forever.
mmddll
I'll do some study on that. Thanks Pamela. I knew that the Jubilee was tied to the day of atonement. I had done some studying on that and the history of the Liberty Bell in Philadelphia PA which is inscribed with Leviticus 25:10

Another thing about the number 6120 is that it is 40 x 153

The letter "mem" has a value of 40 and means "water" and 153 is the value of "fish" (Ichthus) which is mentioned in John 21:11. In the "Backwards Nun" thread, there are 6 backwards "nuns" (fish?) in Psalms 107 beginning with verse 23 and stops at verse 28. Add 23 consecutively up to 28 = 153. JR Church theorizes that the Psalms chapter numbers might coincide with our years in the Christian calendar (Gregorian)

The 7th backwards nun in Psalm 107 appears in verse 40. The other 2 are in Numbers 10 verses 35 and 36 (35+36=71)

The letter "nun" has a value of 50 (Jubliee) and in the account of the 153 fish, Jesus tells Peter to "feed my sheep". Peter preached at Pentecost (the 50th day after passover) and thousands were added to the church through His Holy Spirit inspired preaching.

If 2008 is the 6120th day from Adam (man)
(2008 = 28 of Psalm 107:28? or Psalm 108?)

There are 9 backwards nuns, divided 2 (Numbers 10:35-36) 6 (Psalms 107:23-28) and 1 (Psalms 107:40)

6 + 2 + 1 = 9 and 9 x 17 = 153
(6 2 and 1 also appear in the number 1260 which is the number of days the woman spends in the "wilderness" in the Revelation "portent")


Look at what verse 41 says (remember 4141?)

Psalm 107:41 But he lifted the needy out of their affliction
and increased their families like flocks.


(source=Psalm 107 whole chapter)
mmddll
Didn't the Israelites enter the Promised Land in the 41st year after the wilderness? And they marched around Jericho blowing trumpets, right?
mmddll
The Prophecies in Psalms 107-150
JR Church updated in 2007
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