Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. Mat 11:14 And if ye will receive [it], this is Elias, which was for to come. Mat 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear .Mat 11:16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows, Mat 11:17 And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented. Mat 11:18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.

Rom 4:14 For if they which are of the law [be] heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression. Rom 4:16 Therefore [it is] of faith, that [it might be] by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, [even] God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.


Rom 10:4 For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

The law and prophets ended with John. (Baptizer) Truly at the cross a new work was accomplished and also two works were finished...the law and prophets (twinned together as a package from God) were ended and God has done all He will ever do to bring about the salvation of man. The rest is up to us by believing it. It is a violent wrenching to get gentile Christians to know they have NEVER been under the law. It takes wisdom to see the scriptures form the gospels in the light that Jesus Himself was born under the law and lived accordingly. He therefore taught accordingly. That is why the revelations to Paul are tantamount to knowing the higher calling of God in Christ Jesus who could not preach that part of grace because He had not paid the price at that time. Hence the revelation of grace that we gentiles may be equipped with into all eternity...

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) Eph 2:6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus: Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in [his] kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye [being] in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Even the Jew and Gentile entwined together...soon.

I believe it Larry...But l don't walk on water...Just a fact.

Actually you do walk on water and you don't even know it.

...Miki, your world is what you believe it is!

believe the "facts" as they are and the universe obeys saying "okay, as you wish."

Be alert to the testing of your faith, and choose to believe rather than to dump down in discouragement and hopelessness. I tell you beforehand so that you can be prepared to rise up in faith and stand strong. Once you have tasted of victory instead of accepting defeat, you will begin to develop the habit of taking a stand when opportunities come to cave in. Be strong and of good courage, says the Lord. James 1:2-4 My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing.

I have to respond to you here HB...This is a teaching running rampent through the New Age movement and through Kim Clement and others in the prophetic movement and l reject it. It didn't work when l was in the New Age and it doesn't work now. The world is what God says it will be. By and through him alone.

Please know l'm not unfamiliar with this line of thinking. I also don't want to start an argument...but only God makes things happen as you walk in obedience to the prompting of the Spirit...NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. By that l mean...You don't tell God...God tells you. I hope this isn't the revelation you got a while back? If it is you're in for a let down...

Miki, I have to agree with you that
God tells us what is to be.

I can hardly believe the timing of your post here Miki, for what you
said is what I told my daughter yesterday. All of us in this house, had a terrible
day yesterday-like a storm within the walls of our house as the storm outside was raging. Then as the
day progressed worse by the minute, I heard God's calming voice saying
you didn't come to me and ask to calm your storm. I am seeing more and
more that I cannot make one second of the day without our precious Saviour.

Oh and how I believe He is in control and yesterday I had a big wake up call
again that I left Him out of our mess and did He ever send me a BIG MESSAGE.

Let us all hang on tight to our sweet Jesus, this life here on earth is getting tougher by
the day. We have hope!! WE have a rescuer and His name is Jesus.

love you all,
from rambling rosie

I've had storms in my house too. The enemy can get in.

Let's also remember to praise him. It's a strong weapon.

The storm l'm remembering was awful...It was out of control! When l looked out the window it was sunny out side...beautiful...Sitting in the trees in broad daylight just off our deck about 20 feet away was a great horned owl...just watching. I got a hold of myself and began to suck it up..

The owl was always an element in my life when l was in the occult. He watches us...every move we make..every step we take. He thinks we belong to him but we have to remind him with our steadfastness who's we are.

Miki, you are so blessed. Why do you tarry the burden Christ gave you when he said it is soooo light?

My burden is light! And I praise Christ for it!

What is the difference in telling God what to do and asking God what to do? When I ask God I give thanks, I give gratitude, I receive the joy that Christ is in my life and he will make each day a better one.

I now choose every morning to give thanks to Christ for a beautiful blue sky, clean air, the health in my body. My heart and mind is on thanking Christ for giving me what I have and I am humbled.

Even the so called "new agers" know this, that they give gratitude and rejoice and their life is changed. Who they give thanks to is not mine to say or judge, but it is a sadder thing to me that there might be people who do not know Christ, still giving gratitude and rejoice for all they have, while there are Christians who do not give their gratitude to Christ and rejoice each day.

Rather, Christains who focus intently on prophecy and doom saying and the enemy and sin. All valid concerns until my fixations on these things override my joy in Christ. The next that I know then is that I cry out "Christ, save me!" And, so did Peter shout when he was sinking in the sea, overcomed by it's choppy waters!

How, much more is my blessing from Christ when he calls me out of the boat to stand on the seas, walking on water with my beloved savior, fixed on him? The waves and winds can whip but I do not see them, but only Christ. And if I do not have this in my life, I want it and give gratitude to the Lord and then my want is fulfilled.

All has inherited from the disobedience of Adam and Eve, and when they did disobey God God himself said

Genesis 3:22

22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

emphasis added...

Man has it in him to exhalt himself as or even above God, or man it has in him to place himself beneath God. All can do this because of what had happened in the Garden.

I choose to believe The Word of God surpasses my word, that I am beneath Christ for he is my King!

For anyone else who serves Christ or who does not, this does not change what God himself said "Behold, the man is become as one of us...".

and so...the world is what anyone makes it, and what they make it is what they believe it to be. There it is, then! To know what is good and evil! That what you and I and all others have inherited from Adam's disobedience is now revealed here and today!

May the Glory of Christ forever be!

I'm not sure what burden you think l'm carrying HB...

and your posted sounded great except

l believe there's A LOT of difference between telling God what to do and asking...

Doesn't it say that we will receive what we ask/pray for IF it is in His will? So we won't receive everything we ask for. Though I remember there being a thread about this a while back and I know you don't believe that.

About the second part I quoted, I have felt the exact same lately and I even made a thread about my experience with that this morning You guys are so special!!

My dear Agape where in Mark 11:24 does Christ say I cannot have what I desire?

Mark 11:24

24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

Well this is the first quote I found:

1Jo 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

There's no comma/break (well, in the English at least) that seperates "ask and thing according." I am sure there are similar references to this, I will continue to look. I admit this quote is long and complex, but it looks like it says that whatever we ask must be according to his will in order for it to be heard.

I know I need to study the Word more to reference it correctly, and I have been trying to lately, so I readily admit that I can be proven wrong

Dear Miki, which burden do you carry?



or



...my world is what I make of it, and what I make of it is how I think it. I choose the lighter burden and give thanks to Christ.

there is only room in my heart for one of these burdens, and it is the same for all...choose which, it's that easy

When googling "if we ask any thing according to his will," this is one of the links I found: http://www.foundationsforfreedom.net/Refer...k_God_Will.html. It speaks of this quote and also burdens (I know this is a human's interpretation, but I still thought it interesting):

"...Are you getting to understand what it means to pray according to His will? This is the process.

· You start with a concern for others. The Christian word for this is ‘burden.’ It might be a Christian or non-Christians that you are concerned with. That is fine.

· Understand your desire to help them. The desire and the burden are closely related to each other. At times it seems the same. Burden is more of a feeling. Desire that I refer to has to do with the deliberate decision to participate in helping meet this need. If the burden speaks of what I feel is important, the desire here focuses on making something I personally want to change.

· Prayer to help follows this. You want to ask specifically.

· Lastly, you are to look for the answer. You might find that God wants to include you in the process. Don’t be afraid. The reason He gave you this burden is quite likely to get you involved. In fact, we should be comforted by the fact that He has given us a certain burden. It is in these cases, He gives you more grace to help. Whether you are a busy housewife, a struggling student, an overworked engineer, you want to see what God wants you to do. If He has put a need on your heart, He usually gives you the grace to be part of that answer.

When you ask something according to his will, then you know He hears you. How do you know? There is the promise from His Word and often there is a special inner confidence in your soul that comes telling you that this is important to the Lord and He will see to it. If there is a special need, then He will speak to you in other means such as through dreams, visions, people, etc. Often there is not need for this though...."

...all I know, Agape, is that Christ said one of these scriptures himself.

Joh 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. Joh 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth [them]; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

There is a very defined tightrope balancing act to the proposal that HB has presented here. If one is to believe Christ, and the subsequent message of salvation for the "whole man," then one needs to rally around certain phrases and acts that Jesus performed and placed significance upon. If He is our Head and we have inherited His ministry, we ought to focus upon the fact that Christ walked in the full anointing of God the Father. In so doing, He showed us what is possible in the life of a believer, for Jesus was the greatest believer that ever lived. That anointing was power to do and to be. To do and to be...the significance of that is that He led the way and showed us what is entirely possible to do in faith. That faith is in God, not in our faith. If Jesus could walk on water and Peter began to walk on water, then it is possible for us. Even certain men who have an ability to levitate by witchcraft like craft can do it. I understand there is or was a TV show with a guy who does it regularily and amazes many. Of course, that is the wrong power.

Jesus said "only believe" when a miracle was the only option. The turning of water into wine. The raising of Jairus' daughter and of Lazarus...The healing of the woman with the issue of blood...the dividing of fishes to feed a multitude. The healing of lepers. The restoration of sight to Bartimaeus. His list of possibilities was always of the kind that could be demonstrated by the obvious sight of the work having been done. He probably healed brain tumours, but unlike our church today, He realized the benefit of making the miracle happen by demonstration of the Spirit and power in a way that could be seen openly.

The bottom line for us has been (in spite of all the scripture which proclaims otherwise) that we do not operate at that level. We offer shotgun prayers and we do see ocassional events to verify faith. But by and large we remain aloof of that power. My life long goal will be to find out why. There is a definite shortfall in our ability. I expect it has to do with maturity and real discipleship which focuses upon Him and not us.

In our nearsighted ability to believe, we fail. The connection is not made which closes the circuit to the power of God. The switch is turned off. Switches are either on or they are not. There is no in between. So the true door to victory and accomlishment is believing. Believing is the switch that activates the power of faith. For that is spiritual sight. Believing is seeing. If you have faith even in a measure (it can be measured) as a grain of mustard seed there is an explosive force able to literally change things and move things. I am a wannabe extraordinaire, for I was touched by that same power and have known and have been known by that power. For that power is supreme in intelligence and in ability. I truly think that Jesus as a man walking this earth had no power except that God gave it to Him. But the trick is, He had that power which comes from God. For He was His Son. We are Heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ. An heir is an inheiritor. 1Co 3:21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours 1Co 3:22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; 1Co 3:23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ [is] God's. Paul said this and I believe this but how does the connection become alive....how does one get to throw the switch and turn on the light? How does one activate the belief that activates the faith? For a slight doubt appears to be the niche in the armour. Doubts are spiritual heart attacks. Once the heart is stopped then there can be no blood flow. No faith flow.

...let not the dimmer switch dictate...

for we walk in the light...and America will one day soon need
and cry out for the living God...and need the teacher and
the prophetic voice for direction and healing....

the hour is soon upon us...
hold on

blessings,
signet

The issue here isn't miracles..signs and wonders ect...

The issue is HB's statement.



Sorry..but that is new age nonsense.

1 John 5:14-15 “Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him.”

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Also HB...Have you ever heard of the fellowship of suffering?
This is what mature Christians are called to participate in.

For the voice of the Lord is calling you, answer Him when it is He speaks. For it is the desire of His heart to communicate and share the will of His heart and to full fill the will of His ways. God has commissioned you to be in participation in all He desires,delivering magnificant glory that shall fill the earth. A glory so great! a glory so grand! it shall illuminate the world with His loving light bringing hope and joy to the world. Let not your ears deceived by the voices of the enemy, nor by the voices of the self that attempt to discourage and discredit, listen closely to the one that calls you from His throne with validation and encouragement, respond not with hesitation when it is you answer.
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Glenn H. Jackson



March 3rd 2007:

+ The time has come, and now is, that all those who worship Me in spirit and in truth, shall be set apart and exalted [given the perfect platform to release all that I have blessed them with]; for they have humbled themselves before Me and I know their heart, and have heard their prayers.

+ Fear not My beloved children, for I will never allow the righteous to be shaken. You shall grow stronger in your love for Me - and for one another in this season. And a spirit of unity [one accord] as never seen before shall be developed in the midst of all those who truly love Me; and through the diligent and continuous wielding of the sword of the Spirit, you shall walk [abide] in great wisdom, power and light.

+ As long as one takes into account the evil done to them through Satan's vessel [flesh and blood], they are not walking in love.

+ "Rapture" [the great "catching away"] shall come at a time when even some believers who "have been" baptized with My Spirit will not [initially] be able to discern the lateness of the hour. But those who are "filled" continually with My Spirit - those whose hearts are truly "one" with Me - shall sense and know the lateness of the hour, and they shall discern the times and seasons with a pin-point accuracy. Therefore, let each one of My children heed the voice of My Spirit, and be found speaking and acting in "perfect" obedience - in order that all of the glorious works I have purposed begin to unfold in My perfect order. And, after a short while, I will raise you up with Me - and you shall live in My presence forever.

+ Cast not your eyes back on your brothers and sisters who have been misled by the Evil One, My beloved ones - for by your example [holiness] you shall shine a great light that all may see those who are truly Mine. It is a time of unprecedented joy and blessing for My true servants; for they have been found faithful in the small things and they shall be entrusted with greater things. And now, the world shall see that which they have been searching for - but could not see because of the weakness of the church at large. But now, they shall see My glorious Church - and the glory which is manifested will draw many into the “Kingdom”. What the world is about to see, they have never seen before, and I say to you this day, My glory shall abound!

Psalms 67:

God be merciful unto us, and bless us; and cause his face to shine upon us; Selah.

2. That thy way may be known upon earth, thy saving health among all nations.

3. Let the people praise thee, O GOD; let all the people praise thee.

4. O let the nations be glad and sing for joy; for thou shalt judge the people righteously, and govern the nations upon earth. Selah.

5. Let the people praise thee, O GOD; let all the people praise thee.

6. Then shall the earth yield her increase; and God , even our own God, shall bless us.

7. God shall bless us; and all the ends of the earth shall fear him.

Amen, Wernotalone....
Psalms 67:

God be merciful unto us, and bless us; and cause his face to shine upon us; Selah.
2. That thy way may be known upon earth, thy saving health among all nations.

3. Let the people praise thee, O GOD; let all the people praise thee.

4. O let the nations be glad and sing for joy; for thou shalt judge the people righteously, and govern the nations upon earth. Selah.

5. Let the people praise thee, O GOD; let all the people praise thee.

6. Then shall the earth yield her increase; and God , even our own God, shall bless us.

7. God shall bless us; and all the ends of the earth shall fear him.
Daddy,
Shine down your light on me!
Let the people see
that in your presence
darkness flees
FATHER OF LITES SHINE DOWN ON ME!

Miki, my desire is to write kind and loving words on this matter, so let the Spirit of God guide what I write here for you and for anyone else.

I have not heard of the fellowship of suffering, but what I believe is that suffering begets more suffering. I lived this life in this way for a long time and I know it.

I believe my suffering is not the way to heaven because I can never match the suffering that Christ had done for me.

And Christ does not ask that each believer shed tears of sorrow for the anguish he had endured for all, but receive him with joy that the Lord is resurrected and living!

How then is the stuff of miracles made with suffering?
If I make my world a dark place in thought when does the joy of Christ visit upon me? I am then made a ruin, anguished with what I do not have, fearful of what can be taken away from me, battling the enemy in close contest, then offering to Christ a meager victory.

Even blessed Hanna knew this for she had her child Samuel only when she went away happy in the Lord!

I have read here with many saying "Follow Christ, follow his example!" But how is it then that people come to believe "I must be crucified like Christ was to save people or to save myself!" That is nonsense. There is no other but Christ who has paid this price. Thus it is not to follow Christ in his example, but receive Christ! If I am given a precious stone enscribed "from Jesus to Robert" do I then diminish his gift to me by giving it away?

Christ died on the cross for me because I am worth it. He paid his price with his blood to buy me, and so I am bought. I will not decline the Lord's offering for me and say "Jesus I am not worthy" suggesting the Lord wasted his blood on me!

I will kneel to my King who is Christ and bow my head low, but I will stand on my feet and look straight into his eyes for the Lord did walk as a man, breathed as a man, sweat like a man, ate amongst men, walked amongst men. And being that I too am a man can look into his eyes with loving affection, with longing, like a returning brother and embrace Christ with my deepest love.

Even a wife can look her husband in his eyes with loving affection.

But bear the shame, weep with misery, asking for sorrow to be my comfort, and how can I look the Lord in his eyes? What victory is there for the Lord when I say "I suffer for you" and then shun my gaze upon him? Was the Lord ever pleased that Adam and Eve hid their nakedness? Sorrow is the heavy burden. God is not a God of misery. He restores life, he restores loss, he restores prosperity, he restores the desert to be a green valley. The joy from this and the praise and worship to Christ for it is thus the light burden!



Who knows the will of God? Who am I to suddenly discern "This is the will of God, and this is not." And if I make myself a judge to determine what is the will of God in my life what then do I deny myself when I say that is not the will of God. If I should dare to say earthly riches is not the will of God for me should God ever prove me wrong and make it happen? If I should dare say the healing of my body is not the will of God should God prove me wrong and make it happen? When did Christ ever heal a person and say "your lack of faith made you well"?

This is what Christ said himself without ever mentioning God's will.

QUOTE

Mark 11:22-24
22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.

23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

I believe then that everything is God's will, and I ask for his blessing in all things! And now every day is received in gratitude and joy to the Lord as he made all things.

How can an atheist be wealthy? How can an arrogant and conceited man be perfectly healthy? Where is the justice that the righteous be poor and the wicked be wealthy?

I see the universe as a box or as a machine that God has made, and he put me in it. He also put in it people who do not believe in the Lord. But anyone who says "I will be this person or will be that person" or "I will have this or I will have that" makes it happen by what is experienced in this universe. This happens for anyone and it doesn't matter if that person loves or believes in God or does not. What does matters is the person gives gratitude and thanks. So, a wealthy atheist will cherish his possession and give thanks or an arrogant and conceited man express gratitude for his health. This happens.

Is there not three servants in the parable of the talents that Jesus told ? Three servants having received the lord's money? I tell you, the richest amongst the three was the man who not only gave gratitude and thanks but loved the Lord as well!

Miki, leave the fellowship of suffering, the ministry of misery, regard not the Lord's will for it is His will alone to be what it shall be. Rather rejoice in all things the Lord's name and the terrors and fears will leave. And blessing from Christ in ABUNDANCE will come forth!

Love

HB

HB..You're reading way to much into this. We suffer with others. Bare their Burdens as Christ bore ours.

I feel a little of the grief he feels for the hurting according to what l can bare...
Those without a helping hand. (and there's lots)
He shares this burden with me and then says go.
I meet them where they're at. I don't arrive with ribbons and bows.

I also don't always see them with a smiling joyful face as you showed in your picture...because time and experience have taught me that it doesn't always happen like that. They just die.

My pie comes from sharing the burden. It's a deep inner joy that doesn't always wear a smile.

Phi 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things [but] loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them [but] dung, that I may win Christ, Phi 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: Phi 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; Phi 3:11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

I expect this is Miki's reference to suffering..