What does it mean?

Bearing fruit is walking in the Spirit of Christ.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.



8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light
9 (for the fruit of the Spirit* is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth),
10 finding out what is acceptable to the Lord.
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret.
13 But all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light.
14 Therefore He says: "Awake, you who sleep, Arise from the dead, And Christ will give you light."
15 See then that you walk circumspectly, not as fools but as wise,
16 redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
17 Therefore do not be unwise, but understand what the will of the Lord is.

Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.

If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, I have also loved you; abide in My love.


ABIDING


More than a mere touch
My words abiding in you
My words sweeter than honey Psalm 119:103
My word sustains -- Hebrews 1:3
My word reveals the radiance of God's glory - the Son
My word reveals my disciples
My word is truth -- John 17:17
Pay attention to my words Proverbs 4:20-22
My words are life to whoever finds them
Dig deep, dig deep, more than a mere touch
Dig deep in my word
Search as if searching for buried treasure
A priceless treasure, the pearl of greatest price

Do not let my words of your sight
Keep them deep within your heart
More than a mere touch
My words abiding in you

Abide in my love
Sweet honey, sweet fruit
Abide in my love
Love that remains, fruit that lasts -- John 15:16
Abide in my unfailing eternal love
The grass withers, the flower fades
But the word of our God stands forever. Isaiah 40:8
Matthew 13:44-46
The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field.
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant looking for fine pearls. When he found one of great value, he went away and sold everything he had and bought it.

Easier. My truth stands sure and strong no matter the circumstances. If I say that it is so, then it is so. If I say, ‘Do not do this thing or that, then that is exactly what I mean.’ Do not quibble over My words. I do not speak out of both sides of My mouth. My words never return to Me void without accomplishing the purpose for which I sent them. Do not hesitate and ponder long my instructions. My words are empowered with My love and are intended for good. Be faithful to speak and do My words. Easier.

Matthew 9:5 "For which is easier, to say, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Rise, and walk'?”and the leaves of the trees are for the healing of the nations....

LemuelReyes,Brothers and Sisters in Christ,
Much Fruit that remains to all that abide through the LIVING WORD of GOD.

LemuelReyes..
you asked about "Bearing Fruit"

"What does it mean?"


The "Fruit" that Jesus talked about in John 15:1-8 and in the Parables of the
Sower and the Seed--Mat.13,Mark 4, and Luke 8 are people.
A person is Born again only by the Word of God.

1Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which
lives and abides forever.

The Word is the seed.

Mark 4:14
The sower sows the word.

If you don't preach the Word of God you cannot bear fruit.
If you preach the anointed Word of God you will bear fruit "Good Fruit" unto everlasting life.
If you preach man's doctrines you cannot and will not bear "Good" fruit.


Mat.12:37
For by thy words shalt thou be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

False prophets and wolves in sheeps clothing bring forth bad fruit because the preach lies. The true
disciple of Jesus Christ is taught by the Holy Spirit. They reject the teachings of man and seek only the
pure Truth by revelation from God Himself by the Holy Spirit. They abide in the TRUTH and He abides in them. They Glorify the Father by bearing "Good" Fruit. John 15:8

FRUIT is the souls of men.

Mat.7:17,18
17. Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit.
18. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

A good branch is attached to the good tree and gets it's food from the good tree. It bears good fruit that
remains. Some 30, some sixty, some a hundred fold.

John 15:2a
EVERY branch in me that bears not fruit he takes away:

NO FRUIT...NO EVERLASTING LIFE !!!



Now, for sure some deceived branch on an evil tree not bearing any "Good" fruit will post...
"Oh, bearing fruit is a work and we're not saved by works but by grace"

We are saved by Grace through Faith.
Faith demands works.

Fruit is a person coming to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ by the Words we speak.

John 4:36-38
36. And he that reaps receives wages, and gathers fruit unto life eternal: that both he that sows
and he that reaps may rejoice together.
37. And *herein(in this case) is that saying true, One sows, and another reaps.
38. I sent you to reap that whereon you *bestowed(put) no labor: other men labored, and you are
entered into their labors.

I pray this helps some.

Peace, Tom

Thanks for your time guys i appreciate it

The fruits the Triune God is seeking today are those of His holy apostle and prophet Elijah whom Jesus Christ has given the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven. Do all members in the Church believe in God the Father and His resurrected Son, the Lord Jesus Christ... Yes Have all members obeyed the command of God through Jesus Christ and received the three baptisms of Blood, Water, Holy Spirit...Yes Are all in the Church including all the children baptized with the Holy Spirit and Fire ....Yes Do all in the Church pray daily in the Spirit (tongues) as well as the understanding...Yes When Elijah calls for a three-day fasting prayer, do all members fast and pray together in one heart with Elijah...Yes Do all members of the Church know and understand the Will of the Father in Heaven...Yes God is well pleased with Elijah because he seeks after God's heart. He is God's true prophet on earth.

Where do you get a triune God at noname? The roman catholic church started that nonsense a long time ago. Hasn't everyone gone past those false beliefs and doctrines? God is Spirit and the Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ is and was the Spirit of God and the Holy Spirit. The body of Christ ascended into heaven but every true believer makes up the body of Christ here on earth. So we have One Spirit and One Flesh. This is why it is "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!

Thanks, Tom, that was great!

We are saved by grace THROUGH FAITH.
without FAITH, it is impossible to please god.

FAITH without works is dead.

We are saved thru FAITH, not thru works.
Yet, we know that works are REQUIRED.
love is REQUIRED.
obedience to the Word of god is REQUIRED.
repentance from sin is REQUIRED.
turning from evil works, unto good works, is REQUIRED.

My point is:

We are not saved thru works, BUT!
the Word of god commands us to do good works, and we have FAITH in the Word, so we obey the Holy Commandment, and our obedience is motivated by FAITH, and we are saved thru that FAITH.

godsloft and the rest of you can only understand what little you know or have heard from false pastors, priests, etc., but remember, God of Jesus Christ isn't going to convince anyone but He only speaks His Word by revelation to His holy apostles and prophets by the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 3:5) not to evangelists, pastors, teachers, saints, godslofts, etc. And if only a few of us believed by faith and you did not receive it then don't blame God for He looks at the heart. (apparently your hearts are not with God or you would have the understanding which comes from God).
By the way, the Body of Christ on earth is certainly not every Christian on earth but only those who obey God's commandments through today's Elijah, the chief apostle. Those who obey and co-work with Elijah are obeying God of Jesus Christ. Those who do not will not be remembered by God. Just like Apostle Paul who was appointed by God to replace Peter as Chief Apostle in the early days of the Church. Barnabas who was also an apostle, obeyed and followed Paul to a certain extent. When Barnabas disagreed with Paul and went his own way, he was never mentioned in the Holy Bible ever again (not remembered by God). Paul then chose Silas to replace Barnabas. Only those who unite with todays Chief Apostle are in the Body of Christ. God of Jesus Christ has given His "signet ring" to the latter day Elijah. Hallelujah!! What a wonderful news this is for all of us who live in Spirit! Praise to God!

Your thoughts are not God talking to you through His Holy Spirit Jack. Those who have found the Scriptures that Lead to a Living God (not your imaginary god) God speaks to, not your thoughts, His voice. This is nothing new. There were people in the old testament that thought that their deluded speech from their own understanding was God.

Jeremiah 23
21 "I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran. I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.

Ezekiel 13
7 Have you not seen a futile vision, and have you not spoken false divination? You say, 'The Lord says,' but I have not spoken."

John 12
49 For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.

We are saved (faith) by grace (seed), and works (repentence) are the fruit (life in the new covenant) of the Spirit. Faith without works is a dead tree that produces the rotten fruit (if any) of the old nature (sin) which is why the fig tree was cursed by Jesus because it didn't produce any fruit (old covenant of works by the law which causes death)



Maybe someone can give a better illustration or show me where I might be in error here?
"Elijah, who is to come"
Matthew 3
7But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? 8Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. 9And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. 10The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

old covenant of works by the law which causes death



The first law that caused death was "Thou shalt not eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (law)" and Adam and Eve covered themselves with the fruitless "fig leaf" (the cursed fig tree), whereby God's grace replaced them with animal skins (symbolizing Christ's sacrifice for sin)

Actually mmddll
The fig tree did bear fruit, but for the wrong people in the wrong season. When Christ came and the fig tree had no fruit for Him, He cursed it. Likewise those who have fruit for a false christ made in the image of corruptible man, when the real Christ returns, will be cursed.

Right, the false christ being the one who says "You shall not die. You shall be as God" which turned into a license to sin...and a Jezebel spirit

....and the ones who does not say that Christ is coming in the flesh .
C

God of Jesus Christ says He has rejected all the denominations (not the people but the organization themselves) because they can neither glorify God nor can the Holy Spirit work among them. Furthermore, what they preach is incomplete so what is incomplete is not Holy and so, can never enter before God's Holy presence. They can only "talk" about the Holy Bible but they are unable to "experience" It with their lives. Yes, they may sound like they have love and knowledge and good works but they have disobeyed God by rejecting the full gospel of Blood, Water, Holy Spirit (the Complete Witness of the Lord Jesus Christ), so they have rejected Christ Jesus our Lord. Thus, God has rejected them just as He rejected Saul as King and for the same reasons.
But, those of you who are lost in the denominations are not without hope. For God's mercy has been extended to all the earth, to all the descendants of Shem, Ham, and Japheth. The Church which was first established on the Day of Pentecost in Jerusalem (and was later lost due to persecution; the saints being led into captivity by sins, idols, false doctrines, and heresies)has been re-built by the Holy Spirit in these end times.

NONAME, was that a revelation from God? Or is that in the Bible?

Hey Jack
when you say "Blood, Water, Holy Spirit" You are referring to Christ's cleansing blood, Water baptism, And the baptism of the Holy Spirit?

Not The Church


In conversation with a brother I told him his church was not the church. He looked at me funny, but went on talking about our subject. Later I remembered that peculiar look and sent this letter:

Dear Brother,

When I said your church is not the church I never got to explain.

(Gal 5:19,20) Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]: fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousies, wraths, factions, divisions, (Note: denominations) parties.

(1Cor 1:10) Now I beseech you, brethren, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing and [that] there be no divisions among you; but [that] ye be perfected together in the same mind and in the same judgment. (11) For it hath been signified unto me concerning you, my brethren, by them [that are of the household] of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. (12) Now this I mean, that each one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos: and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. (13) Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized into the name of Paul?

(Jn 17:21) that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us: that the world may believe that thou didst send me. (22) And the glory which thou hast given me I have given unto them; that they may be one, even as we [are] one; (17:23) I in them, and thou in me, that they may be perfected into one; that the world may know that thou didst send me, and lovedst them, even as thou lovedst me.

Men divided God's flock. (Acts 20:29) I know that after my departing grievous wolves shall enter in among you, not sparing the flock. According to the word, there is only one church in Pensacola. It is called the church in Pensacola. Examples of what I mean are:

(Rev 2:1) To the angel of the church in Ephesus write: These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, he that walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks. (2:8) And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These things saith the first and the last, who was dead, and lived [again]. (2:12) and to the angel of the church in Pergamum write: These things saith he that hath the sharp two-edged sword. (2:18) And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write: These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like a flame of fire, and his feet are like unto burnished brass. (3:1) And to the angel of the church in Sardis write: These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars: I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and thou art dead. (3:7) And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth and none shall shut, and that shutteth and none openeth. (3:14) And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God.

A sect is only a portion of the whole. The church is all who are born of God. You will have to admit that everyone in your church is not born again any more than in any other sect of Christianity. There is much to learn from others when they don’t depart from the Word, but you won’t get to hear it if you are sectarian in spirit. Each sect has a piece of the truth, but sectarianism keeps us from seeing the other piece. Babylon is divided by the tongue.

There is a great falling away in the observable church right now. (2Thes 2:3) let no man beguile you in any wise: for [it will not be,] except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

There are many tares among the body. (Mt 13:24) Another parable set he before them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man that sowed good seed in his field: (13:25) but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares also among the wheat, and went away.

Jesus said "the kingdom of God cometh not with observation." What is observed to be the church is not. Those who are born of His Spirit and His Word are His true body. Those who abide in the son are the true body. (Jn 8:31) Jesus therefore said to those Jews that had believed him, If ye abide in my word, [then] are ye truly my disciples. (1Jn 2:3) And hereby we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. (2:4) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; (2:5) but whoso keepeth his word, in him verily hath the love of God been perfected. Hereby we know that we are in him: (2:6) he that saith he abideth in him ought himself also to walk even as he walked. (2:24) As for you, let that abide in you which ye heard from the beginning. If that which ye heard from the beginning abide in you, ye also shall abide in the Son, and in the Father. (Note: the doctrine once delivered unto the saints (Jude 6), not modern doctrine).

These verses show us that all the denominations together are not the church. The people of God world wide who abide in Him (in or out of the denominations) are the church (and our brothers and sisters).


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May the Lord bless you, and keep you, and his light shine upon you.
Let the Holy Spirit guide us and renew our hearts, spirit and minds.
Let his love comfort you, and abide in him as he is always there walking before us, guiding us, reminding us, to stay so close to him...IN HIS WORD AND TRUTH...he is all Truth and Life.
The accuser walks around trying to devour us, belttle our faith, and turn to the world for comfort..
but the Victory is already won, we have been saved by the precious blood and water and Holy Spirit of Christ Jesus.
Know this that if the world has received you, then you are of the world, but if the world turns you away it is because of Jesus' sake...For we shall be persecuted for Christ's name sake, be trodden down and discouraged, but he will dry all tears, beauty from ashes, when in his Glorious appearing we will cry with Joy, and all will bow down and Worship our Mighty Savior Jesus, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
Amen

You have only accepted His precious blood, and water and only have His Holy Spirit if you do what he said. All else are lairs as C has just told you "tares mixed in with the wheat".

Luke 6
46 "But why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do the things which I say?

John 15
13 Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends.
14 You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.

Amen..there is the true church...those who follow His Word and not the traditions of men.
C

Again, "...but even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you (here and now), let him be accursed." This means that the words I have typed here in all this Forum in the only Truth of God, as revealed by Him alone. Very sad, that all of you could choose to follow Korah, Barnabas, Demas, etc.

Are you OK Jack?

Christ is the fruit.
Christ in us the hope of glory.
When we believe that we are dead and have been crucified with Christ and no longer live, but He now lives in us: The Holy Spirit can bring this to pass in us.
Let it be according to your faith.

We have been bought at a price: Christians do not have egos, possessions of their own, no "self" left...its dead...we belong to Another now.

Christ must be formed in all of God's children, until they leave childhood and step in the "Sonship" Maturity.
God is coming back for the Fruit, not the tree.

Christ is the Fruit, that we must also produce.

C

Amen C

Brothers and Sisters in Christ,
Fruits of repentance to receive the Holy Spirit and it's Fruits to be able to bear Fruit and gather Fruit unto
life eternal to all that Ask, Seek, and Knock.

Before addressing noname's above post I would like to comment on the many directions that this thread
has gone. It all started with a pretty broad question..
Bearing Fruit. What does it mean?
With such an open question it can be expected to bring many different answers depending on the
revelation of Truth concerning 'Fruit'.
The key word for me that directed my reply was "Bearing".
When the word Bear or Bearing is coupled with the word Fruit it leads me to the parable of the sower and
the seed(Mat.13,Mark 4,Luke 8) and the True Vine discourse in John 15. This concept of Fruit Bearing is also tied into harvesting by Jesus in John 4:35-38.
As I posted earlier the Fruit that Jesus was speaking about is the souls of men.
Before you can bear Fruit (Win the soul of a man)..you must first have the Holy Spirit within you. That is
Christ in us the hope of glory. Being baptized in the Holy Spirit will manifest the Fruits of the Holy Spirit but
that is the Holy Spirit's Fruit not ours.
God gives the Holy Spirit to those that obey Him(Acts 5:32). There must be repentance before there can be the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
That is why John the Baptist demanded "fruits *meet(suitable) for repentance"
before he would baptize the Pharisees and Saducees in Matthew 3. John's baptism in water was a physical
fore shadow of God's Spiritual Truth of being baptized in the Holy Spirit.
Therefore..
We MUST bring fruits of repentance to be baptized in the Holy Spirit.
The baptism in the Holy Spirit brings the fruits of the Holy Spirit and the anointing to preach the gospel
which in turn is neccessary to Bear Fruit(win the souls of men). Each soul we win for the kingdom of God
is fruit on our branch. With this Truth in mind now read the TRUTH of the importance of Fruit Bearing.
John 15:2
Every branch in me that bears not fruit he (the Father..vs.1) takes away: and every branch that bears fruit he *purges(prunes) it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

The Fruit that Jesus is talking about in the parable of the sower and seed and in the True Vine discourse
is not the fruits of repentance or the fruits of the Holy Spirit. However, it takes both of those fruits to
bear fruit for the kingdom of God.

The bottom line is this..
If you're not winning the souls of men by the preaching of the gospel you are a worthless branch and will be
bundled up with the rest of the tares first to be burned at the harvest.

John 15:8
Herein is the Father *glorified(honored) that you bear much fruit; so shall you be my disciples.

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noname,
Love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance to you through
the LIVING WORD of GOD.

you wrote..
"godsloft and the rest of you can only understand what little you know or have heard from false pastors, priests, etc.,"

Since you wrote.."and the rest of you" I guess that includes me and anyone on
earth that should happen to visit this forum and read your words. You need to be VERY careful in your
judgments and the words you speak or type.
It's what comes out of a man's mouth that will justify us or condemn us. (Mat.12:37)

It may serve you well to reread ICor. 12:12-31.

I too hate all that is not TRUTH. I clearly see the tares in our midst and know who they are. They come in
Jesus' name but they deceive many with their lies.
However, I am comforted to know..
Mat.15:13
Every plant, which my heavenly Father has not planted, shall be rooted up.

Without going through every line of your posts and showing you the errors I will just address the
continuation of your first line of this post. Line by line would take me too long.

you wrote..
", but remember, God of Jesus Christ isn't going to convince anyone but He only speaks His Word by revelation to His holy apostles and prophets by the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 3:5) not to evangelists, pastors, teachers, saints, godslofts, etc."

The Greek word that is translated as "prophets" in Eph.3:5
is to be an inspired speaker.
The same word is used in..
Eph.4:11
And he(the LORD) gave some apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers.

The reason for us to be baptized in the Holy Spirit is so we can be taught by, anointed to preach and
do the works of God. EVERY true disciple hears the voice of the Good Shepherd and they follow Him.

John 6:45
It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that has heard,
and has learned of the Father, comes unto me.

Here is a scripture that the apostle John addresses to his little children..
IJohn 2:27
But the anointing which you have received of him abides in you, and you need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teaches you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it has
taught you, you shall *abide(remain) in him.

The Holy Spirit will teach us all things. John 14:26
The Holy Spirit will bring all things that he has said to our remembrance. John 14:26
The Holy Spirit will guide us into all truth. John 16:13

You come in the name of Elijah and call him "todays chief apostle". Also, you say Paul replaced Peter as being the chief apostle. Please give some scripture references if you want to teach such things.
Once again I will direct you to ICor. 12:12-31 concerning the body of Christ and
who is chief in the body. Also, Romans 12:3-21 is good to keep in mind
when dealing with the body of Christ.

The Body of Christ is one.

We don't have the Head..The Head has us.

Peace, Tom

Tomcat,
I just found this thread and thoroughly enjoyed (feel blessed from reading) your comments. We do need to be bringing others to Christ. He is the joy of our lives, and time is short--very, very short.

I can only speak the Truth as written in the Holy Bible and confirmed by the Holy Spirit.
There are many who (like yourselves) are preaching either incomplete or false gospels (not holy) which are not according to Paul in the past nor according to today's Elijah (God's chosen one today). The ministry of building the Church is only given by God to one unitary leader not to many false pastors as many of you have been led to believe. We, the remnant, who have believed the complete Truth and follow the leading of the Holy Spirit were once like all of you and were where all of you are but none of you have been where we, the remnant, are now. We are where we are and who we are by God's grace alone because He alone can see our hearts and He knows we are faithful, holy, and True. Remember, you are not disagreeing in what we say but you are disagreeing with Jesus Christ. There are many who are perishing daily who have no chance of entering God's Kingdom....

noname, your answer is too short and your statement too large, for such a short post.It is coming across like a "hit-and -run" accident. You hit us with that "you and us" " me-remnant-you-Jane" and with a strange unexplained statement about what appears to be knowledge of a leader somewhere that only a few chosen knows about? If I am getting the wrong end of the stick here, then please forgive me. If not, please elaborate on your statement.

When you make a statement like this: you need to bring the balance: the true gospel. If not...it is like the hit-and-run accident.

You need to now write about:1. what is the false/incomplete gospel
2.The true gospel is.............
3. Shed light on today's Elijah.



Next: you need to tell people about how to become the remnant, and then also you must explain where the remnant is now.


I have no problem with there being a remnant, but if you just read your post again, you might see how others might feel and respond when told that they are missing it somehow. I can show you the scripture that tells you that you need to explain more carefully and in love to the brethren.



It would be to the benefit of all, if you (after each statement) would back it up with scripture, so that all (even the baby Christians) can see how it is explained to us in the Bible.

I have already backed up what I have written with scriptural references. Search this forum.
Now, all of you who have not believed or have believed incompletely, are like a father's rebellious son who has broken the law and gone to prison. All the father can do now is pray for his son and visit him. The father can no longer have all things common with his son.
I have judged no not one. God is the judge of all through His Word. If God's Word appears as judgement to you, then repent, receive the three baptisms that God may enlighten you. You are unable to be led into perfection because you have rejected the principles of Christ's doctrine (a child's first steps). Therefore, you are not bearing fruit, but thorns and briers. To those of us who have believed, God's Word (the complete Truth, the Full Gospel of Jesus Christ) is power, blessing, liberty.

Oh Sorry , I do not have the time to search this forum.
C

The focus is on the Vine not the fruit.

Blessings,

Caneman

HEY CANEMAN... I'm right there with you!

I wrote the following pm (with a few edits) to a couple of friends on the forum today. Thought it was interesting once I noticed this thread afterward.

The Lord has been talking with me today about how He just wants to talk to me. No agendas. Just wants to have a good talk like a friend would have on a park bench. I guess I've gotten caught up in knowing "about" instead of just talking to Him about what's really going on in my heart and in my mind. I used to do that all the time... just would talk. (Incidentally, that's when I hear the most it seems.) Anyway, I stopped talking that "real" because I felt selfish- like I was focusing too much on myself and what needed to be fixed in me. But, I don't think it is selfish. In fact, I guess it might be pride that makes me not want to receive what the Lord has for me- because He DOES want to fix me. I'm seeing that this kind of interaction- personal, real and an unpretentious relationship with the Father... this is where I get my strength to do His work. Instead of doing things because my soul is deficient (because I've not spent enough quality time with Him and sadly I admit sometimes even trying to "work" my way into a relationship)...I see that if I spend time with the Lord, I serve out of the overflow of the river that is inside of me- the river that God put there. Ahhhhh. I serve as a natural EXTENTION of the time spent with God instead of serving because I feel like I SHOULD to be considered a "good Christian" and a "good disciple".

I thought about this question: "Think of a time that I felt most CLOSE with the Lord. What was my life like?" Of course the fruits emerged from my life... NATURALLY. Then I thought, "Think about a time when I felt like my soul was distant from God. What was your life like then?" I had more fear, was anxious, selfish, more judgemental, had more problems with my "issues" (and they are many) etc. These are the fruits of the flesh. But then I thought, "THE FRUITS ARE THE RESULTS OF THE HEALTH OR SICKNESS OF THE SOUL... and not the cause." So many folks (including myself) get it backwards. We try to have the fruits of the Spirit without understanding that the CAUSE of the fruits is time spent with the Lord (as you said, Caneman... THE VINE!! FOCUS ON THE VINE AND THE GOOD FRUITS FOLLOW!). And this is not time asking God what it is we think He wants. Instead, I think He taught me today that I should HONESTLY talk about what is on my heart (the good, the bad, and the ugly) and then, as in any relationship, I should ask Him what it is He has to say in response. I SHOULD ALWAYS ask Him what He wants to talk about! WOAH! Jesus said, "I am the VINE..." He is the bread and the water. HE is our source... and when we spend time with the SOURCE... we are able to produce every kind of good fruit. The fruits of the Spirit EMERGE NATURALLY! Not by might, not by power, but by my SPIRIT says the Lord!!! YEAH!

Jesus is such a good teacher. Doesn't that make you just want to rest... abide... talk... laugh... hug- no striving needed. I see John 15 in a new light- there are always more layers. Apart from Him I can do nothing. What part of nothing do I not understand? Seriously- apart from Him it is my flesh willing me to do good, making me feel like I have to earn His love, feeling awful when I don't live up to His standard (like I could- right?). It is only through time spent with Him, fellowshiping with Him, seeing, tasting, hearing and then emulating the Master- can I do what He asks.

I see how this is vital information- vital to REALLY "get it". Because... seriously- how can one really go about doing wonderful things for the Lord if they don't know where their strength and abilities come from?

I've gotten into a habit of closing my eyes before I walk to class and imagining my spirit reaching up into the throne room to take hold of Papa's hand. I walk holding His hand. My Daddy walks me to class and it makes me smile.

I remember a year or so now, praying and talking. And I stopped myself as I thought- I'm so selfish. I don't seem to talk about others or think enough of others- like Jesus did. He prayed, "Give US, WE, OUR..." I'm not like that! I need to stop it! But the Lord gently whispered back, "We'll get there." That was one of the LOUDEST things I've ever heard... and the Lord brought that back to my attention today as He was teaching me. We'll GET there... but embrace where you are, Julie.

Relationships are my strength. Being real and practical is my strength. I am not a sage and I'll never be a great philosopher. But (praise be to God) He doesn't want me to be. It is liberating to know that I don't have to pretend to be something that I am not- that God is happy to invite me into His throne room just as I am just where I am- listening and teaching me as a Father would His daughter.

Our leaders try to make is so complicated, but if they would just teach us to keep our mind set on Jesus (Romans 8:5-6), then He really will do the rest. This is not overly simplistic or idealistic, either Jesus does it all or nothing happens.

This really touched me:



Brother Lawrence wrote a book about practicing the presence of Jesus... it really is that simple despite all the lengthy preachings, numerous books and teachings, bible studies, etc. Jesus really will do it all if you learn how to let Him.

"...the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:21

This is where your indwelling Lord lives, in your spirit, this is there He can be found and this is where you set your gaze upon Him!

Blessings,

Caneman

Again, the latter-day Elijah is the prophet sent by God to unite all the remnant of His people into one sheepfold. God reveals to Elijah alone how to build the Church (Temple). Only Elijah's ministry is blessed by God. All others are rejected and near to being burned. There are many who are called Elijah on earth today but only one is the True one. How will you know him? You will know him by his fruits as our Lord Jesus Christ has spoken....Amen....Hallelujah...All praise and glory to God.

Actually Jack there are two latter day Elijah's. This is their fruit. to make the crooked paths straight before the second comming of our Lord and Savior.

Revelation 11
3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth."
5 And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner.
6 These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire.
10 because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.

Actually Jack there are two latter day Elijah's. This is their fruit. to make the crooked paths straight before the second comming of our Lord and Savior.

Revelation 11
3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth."
5 And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner.
6 These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire.
10 because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.

I noticed a new topic in the controversial section on this subject, and I searched through ALL of noname's posts looking for specifics about this Elijah, but I couldn't find any. I found this thread where several people have asked for specifics (see C's request on p. 6), and I'm adding my request here. You expect people to know something and live it and be judged by it, but you don't tell them where to find it. Would you please give some specifics, or is that the purpose of the other thread? I'm not trying to be hostile--just wanting you to provide information. Thanks.