[center]Contradiction? How strong it can be to have the ability to infect man kind?


We claim as human beings that through out life we learn lessons, these lessons we learn comes with it experience, to help us prevent makings errors again as our lives with time evolve. We in one way or another have heard and have been touched by the affects of war between man and have claimed when seeing its effects that never again shall it occur if up to oneself, Yet again after seeing the effects of two wars, the effects of nuclear atomic weapons. We except and condone again in time history repeats escalating out of control no path to exit. Only sure thing is life losing and with force in submission. We know from experience it will only fail yet the choices being made simply seemingly illogical the actions further to come yet solutions rather simple in the hands of those responsible in their manipulation of the truth yet simple solutions are all that are needed.

If not for the truth in wars are only started and lost with mans decisions. The intention to preach this comes not from but the pain and suffering we all are suffering here within our homes we watch, hear and see but the pain of even that we don’t see I give this advice to we the people. Let our ancestors errors prevent further hardship on our lives and that of our children for we know it so that the affects of war last long into the future is this the fate we want for our children and their children . Our actions now are hurting if not killing the future they deserve. The war in Iraq seems endless in thought and hope yet why are we allowing it to happen. THE CHOICE IS NO we don’t have to allow it to continue we are the people who put into power those who help continue the war. It is our blood and sweat from our hard work in life that fund this bloodshed We are the ones who contradict themselves, beliefs and morals to justify the means and ignore the consequences of that we choose not to see. But it is again our choice to see or ignore these consequences that we then loose our choices and control of the future for those we love? I argue not the moral or political right or wrong of what occurs in Iraq what I offer is answers so simple yet blind are the people who can and make choices which remain not in our interests but that of superiority and justifications not in that of the people, but their own.

Iraq is claimed to be released and free to pursue a democratic future in the hands and the choice of the Iraqi people, The choice is theirs to make and must they take this we who has lead them to this point must provide the tools that they need to accomplish what a dictatorship ruled for so many years without the say of the Iraqi people and yet we must also account that with being ruled by dictatorship a person can only have hope and faith which a dictator can not see.







It is in the name of God the creator that we have suicide attacks causing countless numbers of loss of life .I condone none of the actions, but see the reason and errors they make we too must adapt and see what they are doing for what it is,” MURDER”. In society we don’t accept the MURDER of man, in no reason is it acceptable and should be made clear to Iraq and its people,” IT NOT ACCEPTABLE” and for such actions shall not be praised or even published on any form of media to make a spectacle only give strength of reason to the purpose they claim to have committed such action, ALL forms of religion I am certain does not condone death of man or murder, therefore not ALL Heads of Religious Faith should be brought together to form perhaps a council of global religious Leaders with each head of their faith denounce the killing of ANY MAN in the name of religion of any faith. This takes the religious purpose for such action away from those manipulating the actions of the murderer and for when an event occurs we should not retaliate but apprehend the people responsible by way like we would normally investigation. With this done we must also adapt taking away the tools of the killing of innocent man which at the present seems to be Bombs in Vehicles and strapped to man for the man who has strapped himself to the bomb believes he is doing good and with his faith believe it right to kill man. The formation of such council would show global tolerance, recognition and unification to denounce the killing of any man in the name of religion will stop twice man thinking himself to be chosen or holy.

No person has the right to kill! This is what and how I was raised to believe. Each country spending countless dollars and risk, so blind are they the answers they have themselves. Are we not forms of democracy just further evolved than that of the Iraq and its people? We are so advanced that we have found even our technology remains useless as the times has passed on but perhaps we have tried to hard and believe that so ready are these people to accept and adapt to the advancement we stand at. Yes, advanced we are that it is not only money and more men into Iraq but take away the ability to cause disruption or further death We in our democratic countries have vehicle registration with allows enforcement checks to locate owners details. Why are we not implementing this technology and training enabling identification of ALL vehicles within Iraq into a database .Each country has the ability to create such a database offer employment and opportunity to the people of Iraq help Coalition forces identify vehicles , Run checks decreasing risk of death of bombing and with new Iraq government they either accept or start know for they will all so responsible for their actions whilst we help free them they must assist and cooperate in the formation of democracy . ANY reluctance of this would rather be suspicious one would think why would they deny the chance to stop the death and the creation of peace. We must be able to identify to track the location owners of cars and even those trucks importing into Iraq must be give registration Id and entered into the data base which can be accessed by terminals anywhere but also secured that any corruption could be isolated and detected.






We In Australia have a Social welfare system and tax system with the ability to cross data reference, why not offer a less advanced form of software and 1000 computers instead of more men but offer the tools they need.

Any person who has been to London would know within the city there are many camera that run checks on vehicles to ensure the security of the city. Why not this technology implemented instead of war introduce not force but the tools needed, No more life or war needs to plague our future and children’s futures. Why not remember the lessons and start looking at home for the simple of solutions this can only turn worse if we don’t stop what path we are on. It is also perhaps the governments we place in power begin to be truthful about their actions and intentions and to what expense there is on their people. We must remember there would be no thing as a weapon of mass destruction if it were not the fact, we man created it and if in the hands of someone insane then, we have simply abused knowledge and therefore must take action to stop what is created. Why is the obvious the most unlikely, like the contradiction in man? I don’t understand but know we must stop deny ourselves the reality of the events occurring around us and the more we remain complacent about things the further out of control things and events will become for they have no idea they fuel the enemy they are pursing and when will be enough.

Climate change, so real the affects are felt by everybody yet money the governments give its people, not the truth or reality of what is happening or maybe they are just so blinded by politics that the obvious is just not seen. Its is the actions of our ancestors we pay the consequence for. Their actions U239 is the cause of the change in our climate yet man continue to harvest and use this in weapons its affects on the Bio sphere unimaginable I do not think they even thought out the consequences so devastating to man today its effects. Some men choose suicide because of it, tested in Australia and over oceans and various lands the earth’s biosphere gradually disappearing the mathematics so obviously clear. This very substance so deadly to even the healthiest of men, when will it all be enough? Not of religious faith. I’m certain no god would condone murder of another? Why do we make spectacles’ from such tragedy I will never understand but I say wake up to the leaders why are not the solutions being made to make everything right why the costly deadly measure that are chosen? We the people deserve an answer? No I should re word, we the people WANT answers! It is now not an issue of moral ethics entering Iraq but more the solution of what and how things should be done. Curious on what other people think on these issues at hand and in denial why should these questions be answered they seem more logical. To destroy the enemy one must take the tools the enemy has and make it no man shall sacrifice them selves for their religion and vehicles known licence permits issued in receipt must be presented by Iraqi when collecting Rations of water or services this technology is known why not started to be used now in Iraq as a model of example as here in Australia we soon begin a train for national ID card, London implements these cards now to foreigners The USA advanced with computers and manufacturing . Why should force be the solution or motivation? [/center]

Im sorry i know it is long however within this statement there are answers to problems we are facing today in the materialistic world!

Sorry its long! Its an attachment I worte in a letter to the Opposition Leader Mr Rudd!Believe it or not it is the ending of my letter LOL!

You are aware are you not Guardian that our Mr Rudd is a christian - I believe of the catholic variety - and probably a MORE solid christian than Mr Howard I'll read it proper later after I've done what I came here to do.

I don't think you should vote for Rudd just because he's Catholic. I originally was interested in him, because he's Catholic - but listening to Question Time on ABC, and various interviews, he doesn't display many Catholic values - he boasts, back stabs, everything.

I hope you'll still vote for J.H (if you already did), he has shown for the past terms that he's very good at running the country, economically, militarily, and socially - I don't think you should ditch him because you think someone's better, is that Christian? Betrayal? I hope not.

Why change when everything's good as it is?

[quote name='Joshua Crick' date='Feb 22 2007, 04:49 PM' post='103015']
I don't think you should vote for Rudd just because he's Catholic. I originally was interested in him, because he's Catholic - but listening to Question Time on ABC, and various interviews, he doesn't display many Catholic values - he boasts, back stabs, everything.

I hope you'll still vote for J.H (if you already did), he has shown for the past terms that he's very good at running the country, economically, militarily, and socially - I don't think you should ditch him because you think someone's better, is that Christian? Betrayal? I hope not.

Why change when everything's good as it is?
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WEll I Truly DONT BELIEVE THAT WE AS AUSTRALIAN S ARE TRULY A DEMOCRATIC NATION! The truth be spoken what is democratic about the selection of one partty of two in the final outcome one or the other shall prevail

G of C...

You're an idealist!

God is using Bush and the Iraq war to delay hell on earth until his appointed time and nothing more.

Let's make the best use of this extended time as possible.

It's not about politics it's about bringing in the sheaves.

[quote name='Miki' date='Feb 22 2007, 09:59 AM' post='103064']
G of C...

You're an idealist!

God is using Bush and the Iraq war to delay hell on earth until his appointed time and nothing more.

Let's make the best use of this extended time as possible.

It's not about politics it's about bringing in the sheaves
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Sowing in the morning, sowing seeds of kindness,
Sowing in the noontide and the dewy eve;
Waiting for the harvest, and the time of reaping,
We shall come rejoicing, bringing in the sheaves.

Refrain

Bringing in the sheaves, bringing in the sheaves,
We shall come rejoicing, bringing in the sheaves,
Bringing in the sheaves, bringing in the sheaves,
We shall come rejoicing, bringing in the sheaves,

Sowing in the sunshine, sowing in the shadows,
Fearing neither clouds nor winter’s chilling breeze;
By and by the harvest, and the labor ended,
We shall come rejoicing, bringing in the sheaves.

Refrain

Going forth with weeping, sowing for the Master,
Though the loss sustained our spirit often grieves;
When our weeping’s over, He will bid us welcome,
We shall come rejoicing, bringing in the sheaves.

Refrain

that Poem my brother or sister may I ask you where you obtained it from? and its relievance.? not meaning to be rude the slightest i read a encrypted message when reading this that is all so I i can place various texts to books or gospels ect then I can have some Idea what and how to relate to the message i read with the text you type unto my scrren? CRAZY...I am begining to think so BRAIN OVER LOAD ..sorry so much text to interpret i havent the idea even where to start

it's an old song.....been around for donkey's years. It's one I remember - so I'd say we probably sang it at the first church i went to when I went to sunday school.....I feel old now....GEEE Lois....didja hafta go and doooo that! Now it's STUCK IN MY HEAD going round and round and round in my very elderly grandmother's singing voice (she used to sing it as well I recall - and she's in NZ!)

[b][i]Bringing in the Sheaves[/i][/b] is a popular hymn used almost exclusively by Protestant Christians. The lyrics were written in 1874 by Knowles Shaw, who was inspired by [b]Psalm 126:6[/b], "He who goes out weeping, carrying seed to sow, will return with songs of joy, carrying sheaves with him." Shaw also wrote music for these words, but they are now usually set to a tune by George Minor, written in 1880.

([url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bringing_in_the_Sheaves"][b]source[/b][/url])

...a chain reaction

from Psalm 30

"Weeping may endure for a night,
But joy comes in the morning." v30

G of C said; "Curious on what other people think on these issues at hand..."
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Miki said; "God is using Bush and the Iraq war to delay hell on earth until his appointed time and nothing more.

Let's make the best use of this extended time as possible.

It's not about politics it's about bringing in the sheaves."
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Bringing in the Sheaves popped into my head but l didn't research it afterwards. Thanks mmddll and others...l too find myself singing... It's way easy to get caught up in politics..and God uses many Christians this way. I've never enjoyed one inch of it because of the the division it causes. And l don't know the cure..? We have to vote...(shaking head) We have responsibilities...It sucks you in...I don't know the cure. Do you?

Deuteronomy 32
39 Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand.

Luke 13
1 There were present at that season some who told Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
2 And Jesus answered and said to them, "Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things?

3 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.

4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem?

5 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish."


Deuteronomy 32
20 And He said: 'I will hide My face from them, I will see what their end will be, For they are a perverse generation, Children in whom is no faith.

Hebrews 11
6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

Matthew 21
21 So Jesus answered and said to them, "Assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but also if you say to this mountain, 'Be removed and be cast into the sea,' it will be done.

Mark 11
23 For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be removed and be cast into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says.
22 And whatever things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive."

I now understand the urgency for me to complete the remaining work i Haven been asked to do I shall be posted for the children as a whole to read and themselves make judgement I pray their faith be strong enough for them. For I fear so sadly many will suffer meaninglessly and not for only their blindness wich they suffer for.

29 Are not two sparrows sold for a copper coin? And not one of them falls to the ground apart from your Father's will.
30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
31 Do not fear therefore; you are of more value than many sparrows.

38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I will lose nothing, but will raise it up at the last day.
40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day