[Humble Bob]

They were all scattered later that evening

Matthew 21:31
Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.

[rtkiii66]

Signet, on Jul 15 2006, 02:01 AM, said:

rtkiii66, on Jul 9 2006, 07:59 PM, said:

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When God makes a curse it is a mighty thing; he brings asunder what is good and what is evil and banishes evil never for it to return. What is under God's curse is afixed under his wrath. How then was Christ ever under God's curse for then he would be under his wrath to this day? But the Lord sits at the right side God.

We can not simply side step scripture HB and the scripture says:

Deu 21:23 His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:


Christ was no exception.

I do not think we realize the price that was paid on that day.

Phi 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Phi 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Phi 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Phi 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Phi 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Phi 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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Phi 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God

I found this interesting, lucifer thought it was robbery to be equal to God.

This also implies that Christ did not have to do this, but He humbled himself.

Hi,

can you find anything about passover of which Jesus had with the disciples and then later that evening
became for them....?

???

[Humble Bob]

Humble Bob, on Jul 4 2006, 11:56 PM, said:

Recently someone posted a response about how the Gospel doesn't stand or fall with the cross represented at Mt. Soledad, San Diego. His comment, I felt, was general to any symbolic representation of the cross, and it got me to wonder "what is the real depth and meaning to the cross? Is it more than a symbol? Does it matter if the cross at Mt. Soledad were to come down?" Personally, I am glad that it has endured so far.

Rather than respond directly I felt moved to post this thread as a study to this hypothesis; is the Gospel independent of a symbol that is the cross?

As with any study I have posted I always entreat upon the Lord a prayer for guidance and understanding. Lord, I pray your Holy Spirit will grant wisdom and inspire a sincere understanding to the meaning of the cross. Let this be a a good thread that honors your name, in Jesus' name, Amen.

I am led to start with Numbers 21:9

Numbers 21:9
And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

In this instance what Moses had done was to clearly create an icon, a symbol out of material, at the Lord's instruction. Yet this symbol, being immaterial, imparted the Lord's power to save those who had looked upon it, and for those who did they did not die. This is very compelling to me to believe the symbol of the cross has a "mystical" connection to the Lord; his presence being around it for it inspires one to look upon the cross and see it more than just a crucifix. It is the symbol of the resurrection and the life of Jesus Christ.

Now, why did the Lord choose a serpent to hang on a pole? This was a symbol, according to the bible, that Moses did fashion and that it literally saved people from dying after being bitten by the snakes that were in the valley they travelled through. Today, that symbol is often represented with Christ fastened on the crucifix. So, could God have told Moses to fashion a man on a pole and it would have had the same effect? No. The Lord told Moses to fashion a serpent on a pole, why a serpent then, and why Christ on the crucifix today?

Your comments are welcomed and please any referencing scriptures will be very helpful to this discussion.

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[friend]

Humble Bob, on Jul 4 2006, 10:56 PM, said:

Recently someone posted a response about how the Gospel doesn't stand or fall with the cross represented at Mt. Soledad, San Diego. His comment, I felt, was general to any symbolic representation of the cross, and it got me to wonder "what is the real depth and meaning to the cross? Is it more than a symbol? Does it matter if the cross at Mt. Soledad were to come down?" Personally, I am glad that it has endured so far.

Rather than respond directly I felt moved to post this thread as a study to this hypothesis; is the Gospel independent of a symbol that is the cross?

As with any study I have posted I always entreat upon the Lord a prayer for guidance and understanding. Lord, I pray your Holy Spirit will grant wisdom and inspire a sincere understanding to the meaning of the cross. Let this be a a good thread that honors your name, in Jesus' name, Amen.

I am led to start with Numbers 21:9

Numbers 21:9
And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

In this instance what Moses had done was to clearly create an icon, a symbol out of material, at the Lord's instruction. Yet this symbol, being immaterial, imparted the Lord's power to save those who had looked upon it, and for those who did not died. This is very compelling to me to believe the symbol of the cross has a "mystical" connection to the Lord; his presence being around it for it inspires one to look upon the cross and see it more than just a crucifix. It is the symbol of the resurrection and the life of Jesus Christ.

Now, why did the Lord choose a serpent to hang on a pole? This was a symbol, according to the bible, that Moses did fashion and that it literally saved people from dying after being bitten by the snakes that were in the vally they travelled through. Today, that symbol is often represented with Christ fastened on the crucifix. So, could God have told Moses to fashion a man on a pole and it would have had the same effect? No. The Lord told Moses to fashion a serpent on a pole, why a serpent then, and why Christ on the crucifix today?

Your comments are welcomed and please any referencing scriptures will be very helpful to this discussion.

Bob don't know if your still reading replies here. So I'll make this short. God knew if he had a picture of himself on that cross the people would make that statute of him a false God to worship. So knowing he had Satan identified with the snake God used the snake. I feel it was used so that people would not make it a god, though some of them may have.

The cross was a sign known to the tribes as a curse. they wanted the Christ hung on that. the cross is not significant to the power of what and who and why Christ died. today I feel that many Christians have fallen and made this cross a part of God that had nothing to do with God, nor does God need it to help identify HIM in WHO And WHAT HE is. He is it ALL> Amen (the catholic church started this cross business with their church.) No where in the bible is the cross written about to encourage us to look to it in any way other than it was the will of the jews who had our Lord put on it. And God said it would happen that way. A prophecy fulfilled.

Your friend in Christ

This post has been edited by friend: 29 May 2008 - 10:54 AM