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Humble Bob, on Jul 8 2006, 04:03 PM, said:
rtkiii66, on Jul 8 2006, 01:22 PM, said:
Humble Bob, on Jul 8 2006, 10:36 AM, said:
I am glad for the inspiration you felt, Leia. May the Holy Spirit deepen your understanding and faith even more.
Here's the kicker, and I'll just say it. The only time the cross was truely ever vacant was before Christ was crucified. There was nothing there and so the cross was meaning less. But when Christ was crucified, sin was drawn onto Christ as a great serpent and it had wrapped himself around our savior. Sin was drawn to Christ because our Lord was sinless and every man must unwillingly bear the burden of sin for that was our inheritance. And the serpent tried to enter Christ to soil him with sin so as to make certain his death, but when Christ finally died sin failed to enter our saviour onto the last of our Lord's breath, and his body was taken down.
But lo and behold! The serpent is trapped, and no longer free to roam amongst man to burden itself unwillingly onto man. In the place of our savior the serpent now hangs on the cross trapped never to escape again!
In the mean while, Christ is resurrected. The grave could not hold him because our Lord is without sin and it's wages could not be collected from him.
At the end of time on the day of judgement, the cross bearing the serpent will be cast into the lake of fire, and that is how sin will be destroyed forever.
Now you understand the meaning of what Moses had done and of the meaning of the cross.
Amen.
Here's the kicker, and I'll just say it. The only time the cross was truely ever vacant was before Christ was crucified. There was nothing there and so the cross was meaning less. But when Christ was crucified, sin was drawn onto Christ as a great serpent and it had wrapped himself around our savior. Sin was drawn to Christ because our Lord was sinless and every man must unwillingly bear the burden of sin for that was our inheritance. And the serpent tried to enter Christ to soil him with sin so as to make certain his death, but when Christ finally died sin failed to enter our saviour onto the last of our Lord's breath, and his body was taken down.
But lo and behold! The serpent is trapped, and no longer free to roam amongst man to burden itself unwillingly onto man. In the place of our savior the serpent now hangs on the cross trapped never to escape again!
In the mean while, Christ is resurrected. The grave could not hold him because our Lord is without sin and it's wages could not be collected from him.
At the end of time on the day of judgement, the cross bearing the serpent will be cast into the lake of fire, and that is how sin will be destroyed forever.
Now you understand the meaning of what Moses had done and of the meaning of the cross.
Amen.
This is how doctrines of men begin. Very creative though HB.
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But lo and behold! The serpent is trapped, and no longer free to roam amongst man to burden itself unwillingly onto man. In the place of our savior the serpent now hangs on the cross trapped never to escape again!
1Pe 5:6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
1Pe 5:7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.
1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
1Pe 5:9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
1Pe 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
1Pe 5:11 To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Hi RTK. Yes, the doctrine of men, that comes from men has an aire of vainity. It's how you can tell it's false. Man takes the word of God, strives to master it, cite it, quote it and interpret it all the while thinking he now knows it "I spend years reading the bible, studying every word and phrase. I have schooling and learning and a degree that qualifies me." Then they insult God believing they own the word from their long and laborious studies.
Who else did labor long thinking their works would please God but their works was vanity? Cain did, and of course he rose up to slew his brother Abel.
This happens when anyone accuses another of false doctrine. The spirit of man's vanity seeths and swells inside him for he thinks he speaks with God's voice.
So, thousands of years ago men did lay their hands on the Gospel and in their doctrine put Christ back on the cross to try and keep him there. Why? To hide from those that a serpent now hangs on the cross, for Christ was taken down and was resurrected.
You yourself even said it that one who hangs on the tree is cursed. It is one thing to be cursed by evil and another to be cursed by good. Evil that curses carries no authority and it is a lie, but the good that curses is a fearful and frightening thing; it is the authority to banish forever from the sight of what is good. Although Christ was cursed by evil he was never cursed by good, so how can anyone who is good claim Christ was cursed? Only evil that is the serpent can claim that. Being that the serpent is trapped, he thus hides on the crucifix by putting Christ back on the cross and showing this to people. Look around you and see any church that displays our saviour on the cross. Not only do they make a graven image of Christ, but in doing so, they insist he is still there hanging on the cross! Yes RTK, that is the doctrine of men, and it began over a thousand years ago after Christ was taken down from the cross and resurrected.
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 5:29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.
Deu 21:22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:
This is interesting it seems hanging from a tree was not a form of execution but additional punishment after death.
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Although Christ was cursed by evil he was never cursed by good, so how can anyone who is good claim Christ was cursed?
Evil that curses carries no authority and it is a lie
So what you are saying HB is Christ really was not cursed because He was cursed by evil? If this is true then our salvation is null and void.
Christ took on the sins of the world, He became sin, He was cursed by His Father, He was abandond, He was forsaken and allowed to die, He was humiliated by death.
HB you conjered up a hum dinger here
You were thinking out loud right?This happens when anyone accuses another of false doctrine. The spirit of man's vanity seeths and swells inside him for he thinks he speaks with God's voice.
So everytime paul did this, he was doing the same thing which cain did to his brother?
1Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
1Ti 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
1Ti 1:3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
1Ti 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
1Ti 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
1Ti 1:6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
1Ti 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
1Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
1Ti 1:11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
1Ti 1:12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
1Ti 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
1Ti 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
1Ti 1:18 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;
1Ti 1:19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
1Ti 1:20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.
Now HB this is in no reference to you, I am making a point here we are to challange "false doctrine" or doctrine that is not sound.
You yourself even said it that one who hangs on the tree is cursed.
Actually the word of God says this.
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