[Mr. David]

I love you all dearly. If I have been the cause of such discontent among us, please forgive me. Please permit me a final plea, confession and prayer.

Please read into it whatever you wish, but know this is a documentation of my crimes for all the world to see. Take this as accusation or repentance. Accept it with love or hate as your heart tells you. This is my public prayer to the Father.

Beloved Father in heaven I have sinned against you. I have accepted the arguments of the deceiver against your clearest warnings. I have read the account of Your creation and have heeded the words of him who I had chosen to follow. In the first words ever spoken to man, you had basically said “Obey Me and Live, you will be My children and I will be your Father. Disobey your creator and you shall surely die”. My beloved father I have ignored your command. Through my laziness and selfishness I have instead obeyed the words of the deceiver.

The deceiver’s words are clear and simple to find in Your scripture my Father. They were clear for me to see, understand, and avoid, yet I followed them anyway. I disowned what was simple common sense and embraced the deception because it served my laziness and my selfishness. The deceiver knows I am lazy and selfish, it is for that reason he crafted his deception, to take advantage of these weaknesses in me. The words of the deceiver who I chose to follow are; “You will surely NOT die. Disobey the creator and instead of death, you will receive life! You will be like a God yourself!” Because I am lazy and selfish Father, I choose to hear these words instead of your own. I wished to be given life everlasting as a reward for lazy selfishness. Disobedience to you my Father is easy and is the epitome of selfishness. I wished to be given everlasting life by doing nothing but ignoring your commandments and teaching others to do so. This is the essence of my selfishness. I wish to do for myself in selfishness and expect to be loved by you through your unselfishness.

My Father, I have ignored your plain teachings. I have set aside your law because I chose to disobey it. Your law convicts me of my selfishness and so I hate it. I hate those who profess their desire to try and obey. I understand that perfect love which is perfect unselfishness is very difficult, especially for a selfish man such as me. Instead of allowing your Son to help me transform into love, I have chosen to turn my back on Him and You. My heart told me my selfishness is more important than Him or You.

My beloved Father, I have sinned against your Son. I have professed to the world that I love Him, though my purpose for this claim was to use Him. In my selfishness, I sought to use the priceless blood of Your Son as my license to disobey you. Father, my purpose for professing my love for Your Son was to use His blood as cover for my selfishness.

It was clearly explained to me in your Word, that Your Son was, is, and always will be completely obedient to you Father. Your Son clearly stated His purpose for complete obedience to You was His love for You. Your Son Himself taught me that the purpose for obedience is love. I chose to disobey You and Him because to love is to be selfless, and I refused to be selfless. You Son never spoke a single word commanding anyone to disobey You Father. Though this was plain for me to see, I chose to disobey because I am lazy and selfish. Anyone who suggests this simple truth to me I have hated. They told me this because they loved me. How was this proven to me? Because they incurred my hatred and wrath for no possible gain to themselves. They could easily have kept the truth to themselves and let me die, but this would have been selfish. Instead they let me hit them and then turned to me their other cheek while they tried to explain my error to me. If it weren’t for your divine mercy, I would be killing them now and exhorting others to kill them also. Their obedience condemns me. Their faithfulness exposes my lie. Their love enrages my selfishness.

I accepted the emotions of the deceiver. When confronted with truth I embraced his anger as my own anger. When his lie is exposed, he is filled with hate and vengeance. Because I have taken his lie to be my own, I too hate those who expose it. It is in love they do this, and it is in hate that I fight them. Anger and hate is the reward You have given me Father for my rejection of love, for my selfishness. This reward I have fully earned.

Though the words of the apostle Paul can be taken to mean different things by different minds, I have chosen to take them as cover for my disobedience to You. I have imagined in my foolish selfish mind that Paul somehow meant to say Your unchangeable Law was changed. Because my hearts desire is selfish disobedience, I foolishly imagined this man of flesh; Paul had the authority to change the law given by You with Your own mouth and Your own finger. I imagined this obvious deception because it is the desire of my heart to disobey you and I will believe any twisting of scripture to provide me with justification for my lack of love and my abundant selfishness. I wished to disobey and feel good about it. I only love those who support my disobedience. They are selfish as I am because to tell me to obey, their obedience is required also. I ignored the obvious truth that misery loves company.

In my selfishness Father I have sat and waited for the obvious to happen. Instead of seeking Your truth for the prophecy of the future, I have simply waited for a magical one-world religion to appear with a glowing neon 666 sign in front of every church. I wait for the obvious anti-christ who will wear the 666 hat for me and my lazy selfish friends to see. In my sin clouded mind I have ignored the complete fulfillment of your prophecy that has taken place right before my eyes. I have joined the one-world church Father. Its unifying doctrine unites its faithful in full support for each other. This doctrine it taught in nearly every church and meeting or gathering throughout this world ruled by Satan. This unifying doctrine was my doctrine, so I gladly joined. This is the doctrine of disobedience to You my Father. It is the denial of your law that binds the whole world together in fellowship with the deceiver. I had waited for the mark of this beast to be forced on my by some obvious anti-christ while in fact I have willingly accepted it already through my selfishness. The mark of the beast is disobedience to your law. My Father, I know now that all the world has already made its choice except a very small few. Already this mark is in the hand and forehead of many. I know now Father that the hour is much later than it seemed. This deception is nearly perfect; such is the power of the deceiver.

By my membership in the one world religion of disobedience, I have hated and persecuted those who refuse to join. I have been comforted and supported by all the members of the deceived religion. We do not even know that the doctrine we preach to the world is the exact words of the Dragon himself; such is the completion of our strong delusion. Your scripture states clearly the argument of the deceiver in the very first words spoken by You and him, yet we are gladly deceived because it serves our selfishness.

Father, I refused to see that the path to you is narrow and difficult and that few will find it. I refused to acknowledge the plain truth that the easy way is the selfish way and is the broad path that leads to death. I have accepted the lie of selfish disobedience from the mouth of the deceiver himself as described in scripture. I have taught others to do the same. I speak to them of complacency and easy salvation through selfish disobedience. I stood on the pulpits of the world and proclaimed the doctrines of salvation through selfishness, saving through disobedience and perfection through the hate of those who would dare try and obey You.

I have used Your scripture to provide support for my choice of disobedience. I have opposed those who use Your scripture as a guide to learning to obey. I have opposed those who faithfully claim their love for Your Son so He can help them obey You. I have ignored the obvious, that Your Son would never help anyone disobey You.

My Beloved Father, I beg your forgiveness through your Son the Christ. Please undo that which I have done. Please unsay the words of deception that I have spoken and caused others to speak. Please take this mark of slow death, which is your unmingled wrath away from me. I freely confess my hideous crimes against You. I confess my willful deception and the sin of my selfishness.

Through Your Son I long to be made one with You again. I wish to dedicate what is left of my life to the pursuit of obedience to You. I promise to truly love Your Son and stop using Him as cover for my selfishness. I humbly beg you Father, please again give me the blood of Your Son that He might wash me clean and spare me the death that is earned by the disobedience to You and Your Law.

I freely pledge my existence to your service and to the pursuit of obedience to Your law. I acknowledge Father that I cannot promise perfect obedience to You, only my unending effort towards that goal. I will keep my promise of service and the pursuit of obedience to you even if it means my death at the hands of the disobedient. I freely accept that for this pledge I will be hated amongst all men save the faithful. I accept that by offering you this public prayer of repentance many whose heart is hate will seek to put me to death.

I will gladly accept their persecution. I freely accept death if it is to do Your will and for Your glory. I pledge to pursue obedience to You, Your Law and Your Son until death. I accept that the only purpose for my existence is to obey You Father. Please forgive me for my willful deception, my willful disobedience and my willful selfishness. Please do not take away Your promise of life to me Father. Please forgive and correct me and those who are deceived with me. Please Father, I beg you to take away the deception and clear the clouds of sin from our eyes so that we can see Your Truth clearly.

Your will be done, not mine. If there is only one more among us that you see fit to free from this deception, please let it be on of us here today. But not my will Father, yours.

I pray this prayer publicly and with a broken heart. I humbly ask this of You Father in the name of my Messiah, my Savior the Lamb. I humbly pray this of you Father in the name of your Son Yahushúa

[gary steed]

Col. 2:13-15
And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

[14] having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

[15] Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

Christ our righteousness

by the blood of Jesus im made righteous holy and set apart to God

I have overcome the wicked one becouse I know Him who is from the begining

Having disarmed principalities and powers He stops there accusation of the beloved by annuling the covenant of the law of MosesIsaiah
28:18
Your covenant with death will be annulled,
And your agreement with Sheol will not stand;
When the overflowing scourge passes through,
Then you will be trampled down by it.
Isaiah 28:20
For the bed is too short to stretch out on,
And the covering so narrow that one cannot wrap himself in it.


Isaiah 28:22
Now therefore, do not be mockers,
Lest your bonds be made strong;
For I have heard from the Lord God of hosts,
A destruction determined even upon the whole earth.



Jesus is Jehovah

[Shekel]

Everyone has said there little bit on this topic so I am closing it. I do not want the forum to be a launching pad for false teaching and it seems that those pushing to bring us all under law again won't quit.

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An email sent me about the closure of this post:

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Hi Dean.  I do appreciate your privledge to close threads when you have a concern.

I however admit to making mistakes, and maybe you can consider a more formal approach to closing threads when you announce to close them.

I certainly have no problems when you close them outright because I believe the Holy Spirit moves you to discern the more serious threads that warrants quick action.

But if you're kind of on the fence (because the debate could have a positive out come, after all I believe God is in control) you could motion to close a thread.

For example had you motioned to close that last thread, I would have posted "I second!"

Think about it.

Maybe you could consider like saying "only moderators can second the motion" or any "advance members with 500 postings can," etc.

Regards my friend.

Robert

My response:

You have some good ideas there. My main concern is with Mr. David. I have just suspended him. He thinks he is on a mission to warn everyone about keeping the Sabbath upon pains of great judgement and he talks in such a way as to pretend that he is some great one reserved for the last day for that purpose. It reaks of a cult mindset. I know, I long ago was a co-leader in one myself! But God showed me mercy and may he show the same to Mr. David. I will add this note to the last post just so everyone knows why it was shut.

P.s., other moderators have also expressed their concern about Mr. David, and he had already been under a posting restriction for 10 days, which time had lapsed a few days ago. I hope everyone appreciates the fact that we just can't have anyone coming in here leading others astray by teaching error systematically and persistently.