[SEVEN THUNDERS]

Miki you are getting out of control and disrespectful, and in violation of the Forum rules by making personal accusations. The Moderators told me to notify them the next time you become “abrasive” (their words, not mine) and if you become rude and cannot be polite and civilized. Right now you are taking this thread down the road of wreck and ruin by your personal ranting and you need to stop before the Moderators have to discipline you. I have warned you. I don’t think the OP appreciates you using his thread to venomously vent with such tremendous disrespect for others. This is really shocking and appalling behavior on your part. I will ignore you now just to keep the peace on this Forum, since reasoning with you is to utterly no avail.

[Miki]

I will not stand down from speaking against your number methodology and the moderators will not stop me but have encouraged all to express there voice through the freedom of the forum. Your pretend threats have no validity what so ever.Your post is not of the Lord and the thread went down the drain as soon as you enocuraged someone in your footsteps rather than point them to the truth.

I don't believe that a moderater told you to tell them any such thing. I think you are lying like you lied when you made the story up and told the forum l had another website and that l was a lying gossip on it. You recanted that when your feet were held to the fire and l think the moderators have recognized by now that you are most abrasive person who as ever been on this forum and many are afraid to oppose you and your bullying ways because they will be lied about and threatened by you just as you have done here on this string. For some reason you have been allowed to continue.

This post has been edited by Miki: 09 February 2010 - 09:00 PM

[SEVEN THUNDERS]

Miki, I think it’s clear to all that you have very deep issues. I don’t lie, but I have made mistakes, like when I assumed something in error that was really about someone else with a similar name to yours which I did not realize until afterwards due to memory lapse. You really need to learn to let go of the past not allowing it to devour you as it does, a past which you desperately hold onto with unforgiveness and bitterness that exudes from you like a poison. You’re only hurting yourself. Learn to move forward, not backwards. Enough said. I hope and pray the Lord will help you in some way to overcome yourself.

[Miki]

What you did you did on purpose to try and stop me. You weren't sorry ... You said it for show BECAUSE you continue today in your false accusations....I'm not bitter...l do not hold on to the past with unforgiveness and l do not poison people. YOU AREN'T TELLING THE TRUTH. I move forward everyday leaving the past behind and l forgive every single day. Not just with my lips but with my heart.

But the question was asked on this forum.

Can there be forgiveness without repentance? No.

The only thing that can be done is to walk away from fellowship... which l have done but that certainly doesn't mean that l'm going to be quiet concerning your dubious occultic teaching. Trying to tell somebody to go to some longitude and city you conjured up on your fingers and toes. You're the red flag of warning and those who know what's right and don't speak out against it..those who are intimidated by you... will have to face the piper sometime.

No one gets past this place in their walk.


I have the platform to speak after being deeply involved is astrology and other new age practices. (including a rudimentary form of gematria) I understand the path you're on. Those with knowledge are required to speak..and l will.

You can try all you want to paint me into an emotional basket case but you won't succeed. The Lord himself delivered me from the occult and l truly repented, l didn't just brush it off as many on this forum have done. There needs to be a brokenness and a turning from these practices. When someone is truly free from things they testify..they don't just weave them into their pretend Christian walk.

This is the church of Laodicea. The mixers..God hates mixing! That's what lukewarm is! God hates fence sitters. Those that kinda sorta want to come on over but still want to hold onto part of Egypt.

I have knowledge and will speak out. Some things look right seem right...but lead to destruction. I'm not going away.

The post by 7T is a perfect example of just exactly what we as Christians need to avoid like the plague.
Turn from the flesh of mixing these things into your attempted Christian walk. See what the writing on the wall REALLY says.
Understand that the Lord's rod will swallow up all who continue in this practice...He is the way the truth and the life. The only method to bring you into the fold is repentance. Let go of Egypt and all her practices.

I truly hope it for you 7. I've hoped it for you for several years now. I'd really like to see you experience the freedom that l have from laying these things down. To know what it means to trust the Holy Spirit daily and not have to lean on numbers and methodology for your answers. It's true freedom. It really is. To bad everything is on the net today. We could have one big book burning party and celebrate freedom together.

[Shekel]

Miki, on 09 February 2010 - 09:11 PM, said:

I will continue to stand against your methodology. It is not of the Lord nor has it anything to do with what he asks of us.

You are a self confessed gossip. It's not l that declared your taciics but you yourself.

The people on the forum should understand by now what they should and should not follow after.

But unfortunately many are impressed by big boasters who like to display their wares.

Miki, please don't accuse people like this, saying, "You are a self confessed gossip". This is slander.

However, Miki, I agree with your earlier thoughts. Most of the examples and usages of numbers in this thread, to me, are bizarre. I don't mean to offend anyone, but finding meaning in Strongs concordance numbers, and in latitude and longitude numbers, to me, is frivolous. This is not the way I see the subject of numbers used in the bible. I know numbers are highly symbolic, but to take the mundane things of life, such as page numbers in a book, or HWY numbers along the road, and to turn them into signs, is shaky ground, especially if discussed publicly.

I used to do that with my speedometer on my car in my earlier days, so I am not knocking anyone.
But now when I see such "coincidences" I simply dismiss them from my mind as being in the realm of, "Hmm?'. Too much of that stuff and it will land one in the loony bin. Yet, God certainly does speak using numbers, but for me, when He does it must meet a very high level of certainty and conditions, and extremely high conditions in order for me to ever go public on it. I see these lesser "numbers" and "signs" as clutter or background noise that needs to be tuned out, not concentrated on. They are more often than not, distractions from God's leading, not aids.

I know that God is sovereign over all, and thus we tend to think that since this is so, therefore we can see God in everything. But God is also a God of order, and He creates things out of the chaos, but when He does, what He creates stands out clearly from that which remains chaotic. Refuse to know anything until the difference is absolutely clear in your mind. Someone was talking about 444, etc.

Here is a hypothetical example:

If I kept seeing a clock, for example, at 4:44 pm/am. I would say to myself, "My mind is stuck on it, noticing it, looking for it and thus noting it subconsciously, therefore ignore it!" And then,say, I noticed 444 was the number of the post that I was posting now (which it's not), I might then say, "Hmm?" But still would basically dismiss it. But then I noticed that I had discussed (by chance) in my diary this same matter of "444" back on a date that happened to be 444 days ago! However, I also mention it in my diary several other times too, so still I dismiss it because if it were only once, then that would be a remarkable coincidence, but because it is 444 days from one of several possibly dates in my diary, I say, "Hmm". But then later that same day, someone emails me out of the blue, someone who has never talked to me before, and they ask me a question about "444", then I begin to say, "Wait a minute", it looks like God is saying something here. But I still would not go public with my thoughts. It could still be a coincidence, or worse, an evil spirit sidetracking me. But then when I study my bible that day, I happen upon a passage of the bible that sheds light on the meaning of "4" and I sense God's presence in the study, and moreover, the passage about the "4" speaks to my situation. Now, I say, God, what are you saying? Then I receive it and believe it. But I still would not make a big deal about it to others, unless it had to do with others. Even then I would present to others as, "What do you think?" And so forth.

Thus, I am very careful not to accept just any passing thought or observation as from God unless at some point it passes the line of chance into orderly arrangement. The line is murky, though, and this is why I wait until something is clear before I act on it. And in the above case, I would not act on it at all without some other type of guidance totally difference from numeric signs. I would look for God to bring a prophesy my way, or dream, or sermon, something totally aside from numerics as a second witness to what I think God wants me to do. If we don't walk this way, my friends, we will soon not be able to tell fantasy from fiction. And if it were a major decision, I would still not act on it without much thought and discussion with others whom I trust, and prayer of course. God is never in a hurry. Take a week or month to ponder it. You may be surprised to find that the signs that seemed so convincing a week ago seem as nothing now. This is because you were caught up in the moment and lost objectivity. I wrote an article on this sort of thing long ago. You can find it here...

Randomness Verse Order (And more) (How do we tell the difference?)

Well, I guess my response did not earn me favor from any one of you, but there it is. Sorry if anyone is offended. It can't be helped.

[Shekel]

Also see this link...

Examples of Faulting Numeric Reasoning