[crownsevenalphabet]

{fourth Night Of Chanukah As A Hinge} 27 Kislev - (2105 Bce) - Flood Rains Cease, Mon, 14 December 2009 = 27th of Kislev, 5770




excerpt


http://www.chabad.or...lood-Begins.htm



Great Flood Begins (2105 BCE)

The rains began to fall on the 17th of Cheshvan of the year 1656 from creation (2105), flooding the earth and rising above the highest mountains. Only Noah and his family survived, in the ark built to that end by Divine command, and a pair of each animal species, who entered with him into the ark.


The following is a chronology of the Flood, as indicated by the dates and time periods given in the Torah's account and calculated by Rashi:

Cheshvan 17: Noah enters ark; rains begin.

Kislev 27: Forty days of rain end; begin 150 days of water's swelling and churning, during which the water reaches a height of 15 cubits above the mountain peaks.

Sivan 1: Water calms and begins to subside at the rate of one cubit every four days.

Sivan 17: The bottom of the ark, submerged 11 cubits beneath the surface, touches down on the top of Mount Ararat.

Av 1: The mountain peaks break the water's surface.

Elul 10:Forty days after the mountain peaks becom visible, Noah opens the ark's window and dispatches a raven.

Elul 17: Noah sends the dove for the first time.

Elul 23: The dove is sent a second time, and returns with an olive leaf in its beak.

Tishrei 1: Dove's third mission. Water completely drained.

Cheshvan 27: Ground fully dried. Noah exits ark.

(This chronology follows the opinion of the Talmudic sage Rabbi Eliezer; according to Rabbi Joshua's interpretation, the Flood began on Iyar 17, and all above dates should be moved ahead six months.)
Total time that Noah spent in the ark: 365 days (one solar year; one year and 11 days on the lunar calendar).

This post has been edited by crownsevenalphabet: 24 November 2009 - 08:35 PM

[crownsevenalphabet]

{fourth Night Of Chanukah As A Hinge} 27 Kislev - (2105 Bce) - Flood Rains Cease, Mon, 14 December 2009 = 27th of Kislev, 5770



The 4th candle =

. . . delivered the mighty into the hand of the weak . . .



excerpt


http://www.sichosine...day=chanuka2604


In Shemonah Esrei and Birchat Hamazon we recite during Chanukah the prayer of Al Hanisim. In it, there are a total of eight things mentioned which Hashem did in our behalf to make Chanukah a reality.
"You...


waged their battles
defended their rights
avenged the wrong done to them
delivered the mighty into the hand of the weak
the many into the hand of the few
the impure into the hand of the pure
the wicked into the hand of the righteous
and wanton sinners into the hand of those who occupy themselves with your Torah."

This post has been edited by crownsevenalphabet: 25 November 2009 - 08:58 AM

[Shekel]

The flood date does work in synchronization with Chunakah, but not as you think because they came out of the ark one month before Chanukah.

Chanukah occurs in the "third month, 25th day", but they came out of the Ark on the "second month, the 27th day). (Gen. 8:14.)


BUT, on the 360 calendar of the prophets there is often a 30-day variance. This means that a certain day may be the second month and also the third month, depending on which calendar. I discuss this on my website. (Thus, the 1290 days of Daniel 12 and the 1260 days of Revelation 12, can come together at times and land on the same day, being 30 days difference.)

http://www.360calend...One-Month%20Lag?


If we allow for the possibility of the 30-day overlap of the two 360-day calendars, there is a potential pattern that still emerges that one day God may use in the future.

========

The narrative of the flood date follows this pattern as listed according to when each time frame is mentioned. (The narrative repeats some time frames twice)

Gen. 7-8.

7 days of waiting for the Flood (7:4)

7 days of waiting for Flood (7 :10)

40 days of Flood (7:17a)

150 days of water triumphing 7:24)

150 days of water waning (8:3)

40 days of waiting (8:6)

7 days of waiting (8:10)

7 days of waiting (8:12)"

=======

Besides the obvious pattern, you will notice that the use of round numbers means that the seven days at either end is being forwarded by even numbers of 40 and 150. This is true of Kislev 27th when they came out of the ark, it being 40 days and exactly half-a-year from when the ark rested on Mount Ararat on the "7th month, 17th day", which was 150 days from when the flood began.

The point is that the flood story begins with the seven days in the ark waiting for the rains to begin, and this seven days is forwarded throughout the narrative so that each major event in the account has, or can have assigned, a seven day period that precedes it. (This effect occurs in the dated narratives in the book of Ezekiel as well.)

Thus, the 27th when they came out of the Ark also has a shadow seven days before it when aligned with the rest of the dates. That is, from the 20th to the 27th of Kislev.

Because Chunakah begins at the end of the 24th day and start of the 25th, and since a day in the bible runs from evening to evening (not midnight to midnight), thus Chunakah, "the seven days of lights", begins exactly in the middle of the final seven days that they waited until they came off the ark. This assumes that they came off the ark early in the morning of the 27th day, which is the only logical time for such a major endeavor with so many animals. The seven days to leave the ark intersects the seven days of light.

(The seven days of lights also has a special 8th day. I won't get into that now.)

This pattern is made more clear when we realize that they were using the 360-day calendar, literally or symbolically.

This is why there are 150 days until the ark rests on Mount Ararat, not 152 if it was a 365-day year, and not 148 if it was a regular Jewish calendar year.

Chunukah commemorates the cleansing of the temple in 168 BC, which was prophesied in Daniel 8.
http://www.1260-1290...mbers-ch-2d.htm

As I constantly show in my websites, when you count back the predicted 1150 days from the seven-days of Chanuka (the time that the temple was besieged and then defiled), this seven begins at the seven-days of tabernacles three years earlier. (70 + 360 + 360 + 360 days = 1150.) Chanukah and "the seven days of light" begins 70 days after the seven days of Tabernacles, and therefore, so again, Tabernacles is also 1150 days before Chanukah.

The point of this is that the Kislev 20th to the 27th of the flood is also seventy days before the Day of Atonement and Tabernacles. This underscores the pattern being used here in the bible, a pattern based upon seven or seventy, and which corresponds to all the feasts of the bible, including Rosh Hoshanah and the Day of Atonement. (Even as the literal "second month, the 27th [and 20th] day", is still, importantly, 40 days after after the Day of Atonement and Tabernacles.)

And all that was simply to say that, "yes, it is not a coincidence that the anniversary of when they came out of the ark falls within the days of Chanukah!"

One last note, as you mentioned, no one knows for sure if all the flood dates should be moved up six months in keeping with the religious calendar given to Moses based upon a spring New Year. I am confident that the ambiguity is on purpose and the dates should be studied as such. This would forward the "second month, the 27th day" when they came out of the ark to when Jesus ascended up from this earth in a cloud, and thus the seven days from the 20th to the 27th is 40 days from the Triumphal entry into Jerusalem unto His resurrection (according to the synoptic Gospels of the first three books of the bible).


Oh yeh, this extra 30 days of overlap, by the way, means that they would have been on the ark 370 days, but with the extra 30 days it symbolically makes an even 400 days, and is in agreement with the "40 days" that frequent the narrative of the flood.

Kind of complicated, i know. But after you have studied it a while it's not too hard to grasp.

[crownsevenalphabet]

Shekel, on Nov 25 2009, 10:31 AM, said:

The flood date does work in synchronization with Chunakah, but not as you think because they came out of the ark one month before Chanukah.

Chanukah occurs in the "third month, 25th day", but they came out of the Ark on the "second month, the 27th day). (Gen. 8:14.)


BUT, on the 360 calendar of the prophets there is often a 30-day variance. This means that a certain day may be the second month and also the third month, depending on which calendar. I discuss this on my website. (Thus, the 1290 days of Daniel 12 and the 1260 days of Revelation 12, can come together at times and land on the same day, being 30 days difference.)

http://www.360calend...One-Month%20Lag?


If we allow for the possibility of the 30-day overlap of the two 360-day calendars, there is a potential pattern that still emerges that one day God may use in the future.

========

The narrative of the flood date follows this pattern as listed according to when each time frame is mentioned. (The narrative repeats some time frames twice)

Gen. 7-8.

7 days of waiting for the Flood (7:4)

7 days of waiting for Flood (7 :10)

40 days of Flood (7:17a)

150 days of water triumphing 7:24)

150 days of water waning (8:3)

40 days of waiting (8:6)

7 days of waiting (8:10)

7 days of waiting (8:12)"

=======

Besides the obvious pattern, you will notice that the use of round numbers means that the seven days at either end is being forwarded by even numbers of 40 and 150. This is true of Kislev 27th when they came out of the ark, it being 40 days and exactly half-a-year from when the ark rested on Mount Ararat on the "7th month, 17th day", which was 150 days from when the flood began.

The point is that the flood story begins with the seven days in the ark waiting for the rains to begin, and this seven days is forwarded throughout the narrative so that each major event in the account has, or can have assigned, a seven day period that precedes it. (This effect occurs in the dated narratives in the book of Ezekiel as well.)

Thus, the 27th when they came out of the Ark also has a shadow seven days before it when aligned with the rest of the dates. That is, from the 20th to the 27th of Kislev.

Because Chunakah begins at the end of the 24th day and start of the 25th, and since a day in the bible runs from evening to evening (not midnight to midnight), thus Chunakah, "the seven days of lights", begins exactly in the middle of the final seven days that they waited until they came off the ark. This assumes that they came off the ark early in the morning of the 27th day, which is the only logical time for such a major endeavor with so many animals. The seven days to leave the ark intersects the seven days of light.

(The seven days of lights also has a special 8th day. I won't get into that now.)

This pattern is made more clear when we realize that they were using the 360-day calendar, literally or symbolically.

This is why there are 150 days until the ark rests on Mount Ararat, not 152 if it was a 365-day year, and not 148 if it was a regular Jewish calendar year.

Chunukah commemorates the cleansing of the temple in 168 BC, which was prophesied in Daniel 8.
http://www.1260-1290...mbers-ch-2d.htm

As I constantly show in my websites, when you count back the predicted 1150 days from the seven-days of Chanuka (the time that the temple was besieged and then defiled), this seven begins at the seven-days of tabernacles three years earlier. (70 + 360 + 360 + 360 days = 1150.) Chanukah and "the seven days of light" begins 70 days after the seven days of Tabernacles, and therefore, so again, Tabernacles is also 1150 days before Chanukah.

The point of this is that the Kislev 20th to the 27th of the flood is also seventy days before the Day of Atonement and Tabernacles. This underscores the pattern being used here in the bible, a pattern based upon seven or seventy, and which corresponds to all the feasts of the bible, including Rosh Hoshanah and the Day of Atonement. (Even as the literal "second month, the 27th [and 20th] day", is still, importantly, 40 days after after the Day of Atonement and Tabernacles.)

And all that was simply to say that, "yes, it is not a coincidence that the anniversary of when they came out of the ark falls within the days of Chanukah!"

One last note, as you mentioned, no one knows for sure if all the flood dates should be moved up six months in keeping with the religious calendar given to Moses based upon a spring New Year. I am confident that the ambiguity is on purpose and the dates should be studied as such. This would forward the "second month, the 27th day" when they came out of the ark to when Jesus ascended up from this earth in a cloud, and thus the seven days from the 20th to the 27th is 40 days from the Triumphal entry into Jerusalem unto His resurrection (according to the synoptic Gospels of the first three books of the bible).


Oh yeh, this extra 30 days of overlap, by the way, means that they would have been on the ark 370 days, but with the extra 30 days it symbolically makes an even 400 days, and is in agreement with the "40 days" that frequent the narrative of the flood.

Kind of complicated, i know. But after you have studied it a while it's not too hard to grasp.

(quote, via Shekel, post #9)Because Chunakah begins at the end of the 24th day and start of the 25th, and since a day in the bible runs from evening to evening (not midnight to midnight), thus Chunakah, "the seven days of lights", begins exactly in the middle of the final seven days that they waited until they came off the ark. This assumes that they came off the ark early in the morning of the 27th day, which is the only logical time for such a major endeavor with so many animals. The seven days to leave the ark intersects the seven days of light.


Shekel,


See your commentary quote, ` . . . begins exactly in the `middle` of the final seven days that they waited until they came off the ark ` . . . In the behind the scenes of my struggle to get the points made (ha), my original word to point my nose, was very easy and very simple : hinge/middle/balanced in the middle/Lamed (excerpt, @post #1) . . .as the candles gleamed before me I found myself thinking about the fourth night of Chanukah as a hinge. Then I looked at why the 4th candle, was the hinge, why the flood rains ceased at the 4th candle/hinge ? And the summary I am contemplating is, `Do you think this 4th candle date of the flood rains ceasing (27 Kislev - (2105 BCE) is a parallel to tribulations` ?


{fourth Night Of Chanukah As A Hinge} 27 Kislev - (2105 Bce) - Flood Rains Cease, Mon, 14 December 2009 = 27th of Kislev, 5770



- - -

Finally I found an example diagram, of what I am seeing . . .

Like the hinges/in the middle/4th candle/4th day of Genesis/4th candle of the 8
in Chunakah/8 saved in Noah . . .

Does this 4th candle hold a tribulations code ?







http://chestofbooks..../Hinges-633.jpg


() Daniel 12:4 "But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase." Daniel 12:9 He said, "Go your way, Daniel, for these words are concealed and sealed up until the end time. Revelation 22:10 And he said to me, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near. (NASB ©1995) Revelation 5:9 And they sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. (NASB ©1995)

This post has been edited by crownsevenalphabet: 25 November 2009 - 12:34 PM

[rtkiii66]

crownsevenalphabet, on Nov 25 2009, 10:39 AM, said:

Shekel, on Nov 25 2009, 10:31 AM, said:

The flood date does work in synchronization with Chunakah, but not as you think because they came out of the ark one month before Chanukah.

Chanukah occurs in the "third month, 25th day", but they came out of the Ark on the "second month, the 27th day). (Gen. 8:14.)


BUT, on the 360 calendar of the prophets there is often a 30-day variance. This means that a certain day may be the second month and also the third month, depending on which calendar. I discuss this on my website. (Thus, the 1290 days of Daniel 12 and the 1260 days of Revelation 12, can come together at times and land on the same day, being 30 days difference.)

http://www.360calend...One-Month%20Lag?


If we allow for the possibility of the 30-day overlap of the two 360-day calendars, there is a potential pattern that still emerges that one day God may use in the future.

========

The narrative of the flood date follows this pattern as listed according to when each time frame is mentioned. (The narrative repeats some time frames twice)

Gen. 7-8.

7 days of waiting for the Flood (7:4)

7 days of waiting for Flood (7 :10)

40 days of Flood (7:17a)

150 days of water triumphing 7:24)

150 days of water waning (8:3)

40 days of waiting (8:6)

7 days of waiting (8:10)

7 days of waiting (8:12)"

=======

Besides the obvious pattern, you will notice that the use of round numbers means that the seven days at either end is being forwarded by even numbers of 40 and 150. This is true of Kislev 27th when they came out of the ark, it being 40 days and exactly half-a-year from when the ark rested on Mount Ararat on the "7th month, 17th day", which was 150 days from when the flood began.

The point is that the flood story begins with the seven days in the ark waiting for the rains to begin, and this seven days is forwarded throughout the narrative so that each major event in the account has, or can have assigned, a seven day period that precedes it. (This effect occurs in the dated narratives in the book of Ezekiel as well.)

Thus, the 27th when they came out of the Ark also has a shadow seven days before it when aligned with the rest of the dates. That is, from the 20th to the 27th of Kislev.

Because Chunakah begins at the end of the 24th day and start of the 25th, and since a day in the bible runs from evening to evening (not midnight to midnight), thus Chunakah, "the seven days of lights", begins exactly in the middle of the final seven days that they waited until they came off the ark. This assumes that they came off the ark early in the morning of the 27th day, which is the only logical time for such a major endeavor with so many animals. The seven days to leave the ark intersects the seven days of light.

(The seven days of lights also has a special 8th day. I won't get into that now.)

This pattern is made more clear when we realize that they were using the 360-day calendar, literally or symbolically.

This is why there are 150 days until the ark rests on Mount Ararat, not 152 if it was a 365-day year, and not 148 if it was a regular Jewish calendar year.

Chunukah commemorates the cleansing of the temple in 168 BC, which was prophesied in Daniel 8.
http://www.1260-1290...mbers-ch-2d.htm

As I constantly show in my websites, when you count back the predicted 1150 days from the seven-days of Chanuka (the time that the temple was besieged and then defiled), this seven begins at the seven-days of tabernacles three years earlier. (70 + 360 + 360 + 360 days = 1150.) Chanukah and "the seven days of light" begins 70 days after the seven days of Tabernacles, and therefore, so again, Tabernacles is also 1150 days before Chanukah.

The point of this is that the Kislev 20th to the 27th of the flood is also seventy days before the Day of Atonement and Tabernacles. This underscores the pattern being used here in the bible, a pattern based upon seven or seventy, and which corresponds to all the feasts of the bible, including Rosh Hoshanah and the Day of Atonement. (Even as the literal "second month, the 27th [and 20th] day", is still, importantly, 40 days after after the Day of Atonement and Tabernacles.)

And all that was simply to say that, "yes, it is not a coincidence that the anniversary of when they came out of the ark falls within the days of Chanukah!"

One last note, as you mentioned, no one knows for sure if all the flood dates should be moved up six months in keeping with the religious calendar given to Moses based upon a spring New Year. I am confident that the ambiguity is on purpose and the dates should be studied as such. This would forward the "second month, the 27th day" when they came out of the ark to when Jesus ascended up from this earth in a cloud, and thus the seven days from the 20th to the 27th is 40 days from the Triumphal entry into Jerusalem unto His resurrection (according to the synoptic Gospels of the first three books of the bible).


Oh yeh, this extra 30 days of overlap, by the way, means that they would have been on the ark 370 days, but with the extra 30 days it symbolically makes an even 400 days, and is in agreement with the "40 days" that frequent the narrative of the flood.

Kind of complicated, i know. But after you have studied it a while it's not too hard to grasp.

(quote, via Shekel, post #9)Because Chunakah begins at the end of the 24th day and start of the 25th, and since a day in the bible runs from evening to evening (not midnight to midnight), thus Chunakah, "the seven days of lights", begins exactly in the middle of the final seven days that they waited until they came off the ark. This assumes that they came off the ark early in the morning of the 27th day, which is the only logical time for such a major endeavor with so many animals. The seven days to leave the ark intersects the seven days of light.


Shekel,


See your commentary quote, ` . . . begins exactly in the `middle` of the final seven days that they waited until they came off the ark ` . . . In the behind the scenes of my struggle to get the points made (ha), my original word to point my nose, was very easy and very simple : hinge/middle/balanced in the middle/Lamed (excerpt, @post #1) . . .as the candles gleamed before me I found myself thinking about the fourth night of Chanukah as a hinge. Then I looked at why the 4th candle, was the hinge, why the flood rains ceased at the 4th candle/hinge ? And the summary I am contemplating is, `Do you think this 4th candle date of the flood rains ceasing (27 Kislev - (2105 BCE) is a parallel to tribulations` ?


{fourth Night Of Chanukah As A Hinge} 27 Kislev - (2105 Bce) - Flood Rains Cease, Mon, 14 December 2009 = 27th of Kislev, 5770



- - -

Finally I found an example diagram, of what I am seeing . . .

Like the hinges/in the middle/4th candle/4th day of Genesis/4th candle of the 8
in Chunakah/8 saved in Noah . . .

Does this 4th candle hold a tribulations code ?







http://chestofbooks..../Hinges-633.jpg


() Daniel 12:4 "But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase." Daniel 12:9 He said, "Go your way, Daniel, for these words are concealed and sealed up until the end time. Revelation 22:10 And he said to me, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near. (NASB ©1995) Revelation 5:9 And they sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. (NASB ©1995)

This is where I believe a hinge is located, I also believe what the seven thunders utter is tied to Ezk 37.




Rev 10:1 THEN I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven, robed in a cloud, with a [halo like a] rainbow over his head; his face was like the sun, and his feet (legs) were like columns of fire.

Rev 10:2 He had a little book (scroll) open in his hand. He set his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land,

Rev 10:3 And he shouted with a loud voice like the roaring of a lion; and when he had shouted, the seven thunders gave voice and uttered their message in distinct words.

Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders had spoken (sounded), I was going to write [it down], but I heard a voice from heaven saying, Seal up what the seven thunders have said! Do not write it down!

Rev 10:5 Then the [mighty] angel whom I had seen stationed on sea and land raised his right hand to heaven (the sky), [Deut. 32:40; Dan. 12:6, 7.]

Rev 10:6 And swore in the name of (by) Him Who lives forever and ever, Who created the heavens (sky) and all they contain, and the earth and all that it contains, and the sea and all that it contains. [He swore] that no more time should intervene and there should be no more waiting or delay,

Rev 10:7 But that when the days come when the trumpet call of the seventh angel is about to be sounded, then God's mystery (His secret design, His hidden purpose), as He had announced the glad tidings to His servants the prophets, should be fulfilled (accomplished, completed). [Dan. 12:6, 7.]

Rev 10:8 Then the voice that I heard from heaven spoke again to me, saying, Go and take the little book (scroll) which is open on the hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the land.

Rev 10:9 So I went up to the angel and asked him to give me the little book. And he said to me, Take it and eat it. It will embitter your stomach, though in your mouth it will be as sweet as honey. [Ezek. 2:8, 9; 3:1-3.]

Rev 10:10 So I took the little book from the angel's hand and ate and swallowed it; it was as sweet as honey in my mouth, but once I had swallowed it, my stomach was embittered.

Rev 10:11 Then they said to me, You are to make a fresh prophecy concerning many peoples and races and nations and languages and kings. [Jer. 1:10.]

[crownsevenalphabet]

rtkiii66,


As soon as I read these verses Revelation 10:1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11


Verses #1-5, are 1/2 ( of the book being held together with the hinge )

. . . verse #6 is the hinge : ( the middle of these 11 scriptures )


Rev 10:6 And swore in the name of (by) Him Who lives forever and ever, Who created the heavens (sky) and all they contain, and the earth and all that it contains, and the sea and all that it contains. [He swore] that no more time should intervene and there should be no more waiting or delay,


. . . verse #7-11, are the last 1/2 ( of the book being held together with the hinge )



And the hinge is the 4th candle of the 8 candles :

4th candle = delivered the mighty into the hand of the weak




excerpt

http://www.sichosine...day=chanuka2604

In Shemonah Esrei and Birchat Hamazon we recite during Chanukah the prayer of Al Hanisim. In it, there are a total of eight things mentioned which Hashem did in our behalf to make Chanukah a reality.
"You...


waged their battles
defended their rights
avenged the wrong done to them
delivered the mighty into the hand of the weak
the many into the hand of the few
the impure into the hand of the pure
the wicked into the hand of the righteous
and wanton sinners into the hand of those who occupy themselves with your Torah."



VERY IMPORTANT, THE VERSE #6 . . .

[He swore] that no more time should intervene and there should be no more waiting or delay


Verse #6 - - - THE HINGE - - - 4th candle = delivered the mighty into the hand of the weak . . .



As Shekel stated in post #9 : (quote)

Thus, the 27th when they came out of the Ark also has a shadow seven days before it when aligned with the rest of the dates. That is, from the 20th to the 27th of Kislev.
And all that was simply to say that, "yes, it is not a coincidence that the anniversary of when they came out of the ark falls within the days of Chanukah!"



Did you see the parallel with the 8 days of Chanukah using the description of `hand`, over and over, versus the hand (Yod) of the angel in verse #8 ?


Rev 10:8 Then the voice that I heard from heaven spoke again to me, saying, Go and take the little book (scroll) which is open on the hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the land.


And I have been unfolding the SEA (50) - - - this week, related to the drought
ending after 3 1/2 years, with Elijah's sign of the hand in the sky, versus
the sea (50) and the sets of 50 Baal Priest of the 450 being destroyed by
fire on the Carmel by the Sea (50) Mount Carmel . . . in the same day,
July 9th . . . 24th Tammuz . . .

This post has been edited by crownsevenalphabet: 25 November 2009 - 01:23 PM