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Miki, on Jan 30 2009, 07:13 PM, said:

John records Jesus ministering through 4 Passovers, or a total of 3 years. Since His ministry started prior to the first Passover, we have an additional portion which brings the total to approximately 3-l/2 years.

Or so it says?

I was thinking about the questions surrounding Christ's birth..and the questions surrounding Obama's birth.

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I was thinking about the questions surrounding Christ's birth..and the questions surrounding Obama's birth.

I think you are referring to the controversy of Obama's birth.........what a great analogy,,and the comparison is outstanding!

[wernotalone]

Miki, on Jan 21 2009, 01:44 PM, said:

Shekel, on Jan 20 2009, 08:35 PM, said:

THE SEVEN THUNDERS, on Jan 20 2009, 12:39 PM, said:

Did you notice Obambimbo stumbled all over the RUDIMENTARY and SIMPLE words of the presidential oath-----OY! Most scary of all he could not bring himself to say “FAITHFULLY”… obviously it’s an ill omen, no doubt.

"I, Barak Hussein Obama------ (repeats it again) I, Barak Hussein Obama, do solemnly swear---- that I will-------------duh---------- fa------ duh--------that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and I will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."

I was baffled by this too, and it does seem to be "an ill omen" as you said. Although, the mistake was mainly that of the one leading him in the oath, for it was he that made a mistake on the word "faithfully", which in turn caused Obama to stumble.

But the whole oath was unbelievably embarrassing. I could not help thinking about it throughout his speech, which greatly distracted me. Likely I was not the only one.

And to continue on this negative note (before the positive!), the way the audience poorly received the prayer by the pastor of the Saddle Back Church (Rick Warren, I believe), is a clear indication of how most Americans view evangelicals --- they think they are narrow-minded bigots. Even CNN commented on his poor reception and lack of hand-clapping. Bush's inclusion of evangelicals no doubt has also left a bad taste in many people's mouths.

But positively, Obama had the courage to have Rick Warren pray, and Rick Warren uplifted up the name of Jesus in four languages, starting with "Yeshua". God bless him!

And no matter what some may think of Warren, they must admit that this took courage for Christ, as witnessed by about 4 billion people! Praise God! (Yes, I know that Rick has his faults ... too).

And so, that was my analysis of the event, as I saw it, but now I want to quickly declare what I believe that the Spirit of God has shown me.

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What I am about to say does not mean that I endorse Obama, or that am unconcerned about certian leadings that he has, such as pro-abortion and the likely Islamic sympathies, these things in the end my prove him "unfaithful" to his oath of office, and thus he may be anti christian in the end --- I hope not, I really do.


This is what I believe the Lord showed me, and this word builds upon what I have already been saying in an earlier post from a few days ago about the downed plane in New York upon the river and the 21-day conflict in Gaza, etc ( http://www.christian...s...st&p=284044 ).

Obama is a type of the coming King of kings, Jesus Christ. The one rejected, the one hated, the one hated ethnically, socially, and every other way. Nevertheless, He shall be king! And he shall bring peace to Israel, and the nations will be ruled with a rod of Iron. And this is the very reason why Israel made the cease fire after 21 days, with the pull out of troops schedualed by noon Washinton time, so as to coincide with the changing of the Presidency. It was a gesture of good will towards the new president, (and a sucking up, which is actually condemned in the Bible, Isaiah 30:2. But we leave out the bad motives for now).

As Obama took oath as "king" of the most powerful nation on earth, Israel, who is one-day destined to have this honor to herself, was also encountering peace, just as it will be when Jesus Christ comes back and is received as "King" by the nation collectively. (This makes it all the more striking that the prayer by Rick Warren ended with the name of "Yeshua" held high, which is "Jesus" in Hebrew.)

Recall the crowds when they would make Jesus their king, and what they then cried:

Luk 19:37-38 "And as he was now drawing nigh, even at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works which they had seen; saying, Blessed is the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest."

"Peace in heaven" meant to a Jew, universal peace made possible only when Messiah sits enthroned in Jerusalem. And so it will be when King Yeshua returns again.

This concept of "peace" by the coming King is the product of many Old Testament prophecies such as these:

Isa 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of Jehovah of hosts will perform this."

Isa 52:7 "How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace, that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation, that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!"

And so, it cannot be a coincidence that the nation (Israel) destined to forever be the most powerful nation on earth, should now make the timing of their own temporary peace (in Gaza) to coincide with the inauguration of a man who most closely embodies the ordination of one whose people ethnically have been rejected, enslaved, displaced and despised, as have been the Jews throughout history, is surely a sign to all.

God is reminding his people by this inauguration to continue to look and anticipate the coming of Messiah Yeshua who will one day Himself bring both true peace and enduring prosperity, and that they will not in the end be ashamed for having waited for Him, rather than pinning there hopes on a man, "whose breath is but in his nostrils".

And the "21-day" timing of the Gaza conflict points to the fact that His coming, that, although it seems to "delay", yet wait for it; it shall surely come!

Isa 2:22 "Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils; for wherein is he to be accounted of?"

Dan 10:13-14 "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days; but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me: and I remained there with the kings of Persia. Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days; for the vision is yet for many days:"

Dan 2:44 "And in the days of those kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall the sovereignty thereof be left to another people; but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever."

It is interesting that the latest Picture Bible Code revealed to me is that of Yeshua taking His seat on His throne before His Holy Cherub, and before His enemies. http://bible-codes.o...-bible-code.htm

The hopeful thing about Obama..as you said..is that because of his ethnicity he will have strong compassion for Israel. He will also garner support, l believe, from moderate Arab affiliations.

But on the other hand, the people are all wrong in there misplaced expectations and twisted view of reality. Obama is after all half black half white.

Perhaps he is a sign of both the coming King and coming deceiver? Or a double motive?

I've also given some consideration to the "mistake" in the oath.

Faithfully was moved from the beginning of the sentence.
Making me wonder if faith will lose it's position.

If he has strong compassion for Israel...it sure is not showing Now....looking back is a painful reminder of the hopes that somehow he would be a friend to Israel...

very sad...May God change his heart, May Obama humble himself and receive Jesus into his life for the sake of his family, himself, our nation and Israel.

[wernotalone]

whirlwind, on Jan 20 2009, 04:23 PM, said:

researcher, on Jan 20 2009, 05:37 PM, said:

diverteach, on Jan 18 2009, 05:30 AM, said:

God forbid he gets shot. However, if he does and it's in the head and he recovers, you'll have a hard time convincing me he's not the anti-christ.

And I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast," (Rev. 13:2-3).

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things

And the whole earth marveled after the beast

and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast?

and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Interesting scripture Jeff....I'll add what I posted in another thread as it too could apply. I don't believe he is the antichrist yet I do see him as a type and as such...part of the beast. The beast that he is in league with.


<b>[indent]Daniel 11:21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but [color="#0000ff"]he shall come in peaceably[/color], and [color="#0000ff"]obtain the kingdom by flatteries[/color].

11:22 And with the [color="#0000ff"]arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him[/color], and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.

11:23 And [color="#0000ff"]after the league made with him[/color] he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.

11:24 [color="#0000ff"]He shall enter peaceably[/color] even upon the fattest places of the province; and [color="#0000ff"]he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers;[/color] he [color="#0000ff"]shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches[/color]: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.[/indent]

President Obama was elected peaceably. He certainly sweet talked those that voted for him, as all politicians do, but his nomination and election have been like a flood that overflew this nation. I have never seen anything like it. Too, he, as the first black president, did what his fathers have never done. As others on this forum have taught...politics and politicians are chosen by elite groups. I agree and see that as the "[color="#0000ff"]league made with him[/color]." So I wonder how "he shall work deceitfully." Are we the "prey and spoil" and is it our riches, our taxes that he plans to scatter to those he is in league with? I think Daniel describes him quite well. There are even many that consider him to be Messiah like. He is a very strong type of what will be.

As I said before...I could be wrong and may just be seeing this through the eyes of a dyed-in-the-wool conservative but.....we'll see!
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11:23 And [color="#0000ff"]after the league made with him[/color]

I never considered this part of the verse til now

I can't call him the AC..we really can't YET, maybe he won't be, but he sure has been the busiest president (i've ever witnessed), in very many facets

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11:24 [color="#0000ff"]He shall enter peaceably[/color] even upon the fattest places of the province; and [color="#0000ff"]he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers;[/color]

ooohhh this really rings true, I've pondered and pondered and pondered over that script for years!

Sorry all for all my back to back posts in this thread I'm playing catch up........


LOOK at that VERSE very closely...AS IF IT WHERE SLAIN...the murder will not be really murder...it will be a set up for a Revolution...then the mark of the Beast forced on those whom will not worship the Beast..

any Bible student should See, this? that is why it will be called a DELUSION...wow I just now noticed that and have written on another post about my wondering about it'

will it be an actual murder or a fake one...then all will believe a LIE!!!