[apostolic-church]

Bananna, on Nov 29 2006, 11:49 PM, said:

We are to know the season, but we will not know the day and the hour.

This follows the tradition of Roshashanan the head of the year and apoximately the next year of Jubalee according to the the Hebrew calendar

Since the day and hour cannot be set till the siting of the new moon over Jeruselem, we cannot know. Those who have studied scripture will be ready.

Probably I'l have dressed for the occation and be washed if at all possible. (if I make it that long)

bananna

Rosh Hashannah is actually a BAbylonian festival. it is the beginning of the BAbylonian year. the jews did tie that into the feast of trumpets but according to the calendar you are using for this post, every month, you have no idea when it will begin becasue each month would require the siteing of the new moon....

The reason also as to why hte messianics and christians in the evangelical camp say the feast of trumpets is that they believe that t only the feasts that occur in teh first half of the year were fulfilled and the fall feasts will be fulfille d in the future, since the feast of trumpets is the next one, then it must be it.

The problem with this view is that the feast itself must have some REAL tie in to the actual occurance.. in other words, the feast itself has to represent, in type or allogically, what occurs in it's fulfillment by Christ....

Well, what was the feat of trumpets biblically? A trumpet would sound, right? For how many days?

you got it.. 7 days....

There was also what was understood by the jews as the ten days of awe... The feast of trumpets was a WARNING, "sound the alarm".

But for whom?

For the jews!

Why? Because it meant impending judgement wsa to come.

And who would receive this judgement?

This judgement was received by those who had not had their sins covered by the blood of the lamb. But when would this judgement occur? at he beginning of this feast?

NO and yet pretribbers use this feast as the day of some future rapture and 7 years of trbulation to occur to follow the 7 trumpet blasts and during this time, judgement.!

That breaks the typology and pattern of this feast on so many levels, it is obvious, the ministers who teacht aht stuff have NO understanding of the bible patterns.

the jews , in the OLD TESTAMENT, would go during this time, during these ten days, to the grace sites of their deceased... What would they do?

They would pray for their deceased, that God would have mercy on them, NOT UNLIKE Judas MAcabees did during the time of Aniochus Ephihanes... (yet, many protestants will teach God raised a man up to restore the temple but somehow, this man was a heretic at the same timeby his actions, they accept hanuchah, Chrsit patterned himself during the feast of hanuchah after Judahs MAcabees but MAcabees was a heretic according to some) Besides praying for their deseased, they would ALSO ASK FOR PRAYER , interceeding for them! This was part of JUDAISM! (yet, some will say the Roman CAtholic church came up with praying to saints as if we came up with it in thin air, we have Macabees as a good example of one who did what we also do today).

The jews would also, during this time, go and make reparation for sin by goign to those they opffended AND go to the temple and offer sacrifice so their sins would be covered....

Why? Because the day of atonemnt, Yom Kipuur was coming....

And waht was Yom Kippur? the day of atonement......

On that day, the high priest would enter the temple, and have it cleansed. Cleansed of what" BLOOD. it wsa , in one manner of speaking, spring cleaning. The temple had become defiled and requiring cleansing after a full year of blood sacrifice.

I am not going to go intot he full ritual but to say that a few doves were used, (we see the vestiture of Christs garment dipped in blood when he comes at armegeddon, don't we, he is fulfilling a type pattern of the dove here), but there was the taking of the sins that had been transfered tot he altar by the blood, now transfered to the goat for azazel. This goat would be led into the wilderness to die for the sins accumulated. When Christ died for our sins, fulfilling passover, the lamb's blood TRANSFERED the sin from your head to it's head and it's blood was taken and placed on the horns of the altar. Thsi is waht is termed covered for sin. It was only a covering. This is what Chrsit's blood did.. transfer from yoru head to his, your sin. On the day of atonement, the high priests takes that same sin that wsa covered by the blood and transfered this sin to the head of the goat for azazel and this goat would die i the silerness.

When the high priest would emerge from the temple and proclaimed that all the sins had been forgiven and transfered, whose soins was he speaking of? ONLY THOSE SINS THAT HAD ALREADY been offered up in sacrifice at the temple the year before. The ten days of awe, the trumpet blasts, teh sounding the alarm wsa to awaken the jews to the fact the the judgement for sin wsa coming . If their sin was not trasnfered tot he temple altar by the time the day of atonement came, then once the goat for azel wsa sent out with those sins, it was TOO LATE to offer sacrifice, yoru sin would not have to be paid for by you and you alone!

So, Chrsit sits, offering his blood today, today is the day of atonement. The day yoru sins are no longer received for forgiveness is the day satan is thrown in the bottomless pit becasue it is that day, he receives his just reward for the corruption he was responsilbe for. Those people who have not repented would then be judged for the sins they still carried, instead of having them covered, then trasfered to satan in teh end.

THOSE ARE THE TYPES and PATTERNS.

So, Chrsit does not leave the heavenly temple til when? Til evangelization has fulfiled it's purpose... Til that time, people continue to be saved, continue to repent. When people stop repenting, the last sheep has come in, then the doors are locked. We see this during one of the bowl judgements, they repented NOT but blasphemied God.... And their kingdom became very dark, the withdrawl of the holy spirit has occured)

No early rapture, release, the day of wrath and judgement occurs whent he day of atonemnt is over.

God Bless

[St. Povis]

Hey, thanks for the reading.

You know, some strange things occurred to me today, while reading up on the internet. First and foremost is the fact that the Bible codes just absolutely blow my mind...and, to be truthful, scare the living bejeebers out of me.

I had a look at the AiG site that was suggested, and, let me tell you, my brain is in knots, right now. The whole idea of trying to understand G-d in the multitude of ways He is presented to us quite frankly blows my mind. There are a lot of strange things in science which I think the people who are 100% devoutly opposed to the idea of the existence of a God ought to consider.

1) The M-Theories, String Theories, and newly emerging fields of quantum mechanics seem to suggest that there truly is absolutely no limit on what can or can not be. Essentially, if we can dream it up, we've automatically given it a home in the universe...Lots of details to mull over in that concept, but, I think its more polite if I leave them for people with an interest.

2) FOr people who absolutely refuse to believe in the idea of a heaven or a hell...The idea of a Black Hole scares me more than anything out there. Some scientists have suggested that time is so warped in the center of them as to be slowed to next to nothing, if not actually frozen near or inside of the Singularity. The idea of being sucked into one of those while alive seems a pretty horrifying prospect, especially if there's anything to the idea of a second being stretched out over the course of billions of years whilst one is being ripped apart in any number of directions...I guess I can't really speak about what's in there, as I've never been, but...Yikes. Some people have suggested that Hell is no more or less than a mistranslation of Oblivion from Greek to English...etc etc (as I'm sure many of you know), but...What about the journey there?

3) If Quantum theory holds to the notion that a universe of planets which are all giant apples, orbiting singing ducks can exist alongside of our own perceivable universe...I mean...if something THAT ridiculous 'can' actually *be*, then...it seems fair to say that a universe of liquid fire need not be too far flung an idea.

I think one of the things that amazes me most about the often all too present division between science and religion is that science, in many ways, seems to uphold the idea that any of these 'far flung' ideas from the Bible are impossible, while at the same time, supporting a theory (which is admittedly not verbatim, though the creative license I am unable to quote word for word was quite similar) as far flung as apples and ducks.

I'll say this: I'll probably never really know what's what until I'm there...but these new bible codes...especially the Mene-Tekel codes are really starting to throw things into a new persective for me...
WIth all of the above in mind...When one takes the universe Ad Infinitum...that is to say...when quite literally anything suggestible is plausible, I must really wrestle with the idea of trying to figure out which faith is the "Right" one, because...let me tell you...all of this "I'm on the way" stuff people seem to be unearthing in their bible codes has really got me cringing in my seat.

Cheers
Jason

[St. Povis]

And now, Comet McNaught is in the sky...

Truly, truly ominous.

[Word of God]

Shekel, on Nov 7 2005, 10:58 AM, said:

The following is an excerpt from my web site "The Writing on the Wall." It was put on the net about 10 years ago. I am quoting it just as a general caution against date setting. As administrator of this forum I want to make it clear what I believe on this subject.

I think some have misunderstood me concerning the Bird Flu article. I did not say that it would begin in the next 6 months, but that based upon a numeric pattern that I was observing then that it appeared so. But I clearly said in that originally article that this numeric about the Bird Flu was just something to ponder and not a sure thing. Since the time that I wrote the article (about a month ago) I have been reminded that the pivotal date of the decree of Nehemiah can be 445 instead of444 BC, and hence a difference of one year is possible to now. Also, the span of time all the way up to 2012 is within range for this Bird Flu to occur and still fit in with the said numeric.

But the fact that the outbreak of the then mystery disease in the Seven Oaks Nursing Home (that killed about 25 people) was first reported on the news the same time that I was reporting my findings about the Bird Flu as it related to the SARS scare here in Toronto, and the fact that the Seven Oaks scare brought the SARS-scare back to memory, and the given the fact that I wrote and posted the topic-post on this forum at the same time the new was breaking the story, which is within 10 miles of where I was posting it --- leads me to believe that the Lord was saying, "Yes, the Bird Flu will fly!" But the timing is still up in the air, (no pun intended!)


Here is my preface to "The Writing on the Wall," which discusses the dating of our Lord's return.

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http://www.1260-1290...ers-intro-b.htm

Bible Prophecy Numbers

Introduction, Part B

Purpose and Scope

To ch. 1a
Back to intro. A


The PURPOSE for writing this book is not to entertain the careless, nor for predicting the future. Bible prophecy numbers are primarily meant to demonstrate that Jesus Christ is the one and only messiah. And, secondarily, prophecy numbers are God's response to the age-old martyrs cry of "How long?" 'How long shall my trial last?' (Revelation 6:9-11).{1}


By super-abundantly exalting the SCOPE and magnitude of these numeric patterns, the Spirit has deliberately placed them far out of the reach of honest men who might otherwise innocently attempt to predict the future with them. For honest men must conclude that, "His paths are past finding out," (Rom.11:33).



It is important that you read the chapters in sequence since there is a building of one brick upon another with increasing glory. For when properly understood, bible prophecy numbers reveal the dimensions of "both the goodness and severity of God," (Rom. 11:22). Its "breadth, and length, and depth, and height," (Eph. 3:18).

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Endnotes:

{1} Just as the timing and nature of the first coming of Christ was misunderstood by the people of that day (John 7), so it shall be again before His Second Coming, to the likely bewilderment of that future end-time people. For this cause, enlightenment is given at this time––so as to supply that future end-time-tribulation-people with a thorough understanding of the many complex time-frames possible, destined to emerge at that time, so that they may have faith and hope to endure it. For by recognizing the various time-periods and patterns in history, this future end-time people will be better equipped to correctly (but never perfectly) apply that knowledge to their own unfolding trial.

A great post indeed.
Yeshua HaMaschiach's return is certainly imminent. His Name, Yeshua is of course the Name that we pray in and through to the Father of Lights. As we pray through the Name Yeshua we can be assured that He hears our cry to Him and will answer. The 'yesh' in Yeshua, signifies that He is the I AM and the I HAVE as well. eg. 'yesh-li = I have " or 'yesh - lecha? = do you have?". Yeshua is also the Great YESH, the Great Provider who said that 'all power is given to me in earth and in heaven'. He HAS us in the palm of his hand because we are the apple of His Eye. 'SHUA' is of course 'salvation' .... He IS and HAS Salvation for all who will come to Him and He will in no wise cast them out when they come in truth seeking Him alone.

He is coming to us with His 'yesh' and His 'Shua' .... with Himself..... having Salvation...Yeshua HaMaschiach

[George]

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When Will Christ Return?, Not for you to know...

The scripture says that heaven and earth will pass away But of that day and hour no one knows. The day and the hour? How about the month or the year? Which day was being referred to a 24 hour day or a 1000 year day? How about those who have been given a part in Christ for the end time? Was the scripture even talking about knowing the time of the return of Christ or were the pointers set on the Passing away of heaven and earth which is after the Thousand year kingdom?