Posted 13 July 2008 - 03:15 AM
All that die go to heaven good and bad....Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
as you see there is no separation here from good and evil men,,, all go to heaven when they die.....
When they get to heaven they are judged---this is not final judgment but its a judgment never the less, to see what side of the gulf they will end up on...
26And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
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so you are saying there is more than one judgement day.
if all go to heaven then they have been judged.
you are saying that the books were opened before the white throne Judgement.
Rev20v12: And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
and Jesus said
Jn 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
7: Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
what spirit went back to the Lord?
answer me this, Did Lazarus come up? come down? or come forth? he was dead for 4 days, surely he was in heaven as you say. but Jesus said come forth.
this is a example he gave.
Jn1v
38: Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.
39: Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.
40: Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
41: Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
42: And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
43: And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.
44: And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.
now lets read higher for a clear understanding
23: Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24: Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
25: Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
look what Martha said
the resurrection is at the last day.
your statement contradicts the bible.
Jesus is the resurrection he raises the dead.
lets look at another statement Jesus said
Jn 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Jn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Jn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
a confirmation from Paul will seal the truth
Hebrews11v 40: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
wait a minute, Paul says that they who have died cannot be made perfect without us.
you and I and everyone who reads this post are still alive.
then everyone who has died are still dead.
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ozell, on Jul 11 2008, 05:34 PM, said:
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Posted 13 July 2008 - 07:37 AM
