adullam, on May 25 2008, 06:29 PM, said:
C, on May 25 2008, 11:15 AM, said:
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God!
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
There are a few views in Christendom about this verse. Here is another, which is how I see it:
Jesus is talking about entering the kingdom here , so everything He is saying is relating to how to enter it. Seeing that being born in the natural is not going to get us in (flesh cannot enter) He is not talking about the physical birth here when he talks about the water. I understand it to be the water of baptism and the infilling of the Holy Spirit. We first have to die (crucified with Christ) to be born into Christ (Water) and then we have to be filled with the Holy Spirit.
Both these are necessary to enter into the kingdom.
Hi C! Your viewpoint is a valid one. My thinking is that a human baby resides in water in the womb and must exit soon after the water breaks. Again, I see the image of the baptism as well...the need of repentance before a new birth in the Spirit. It seems to work both ways!
Hi John, that makes sense too.
I was just thinking about the words "born again" Some translate them "born anew" but the Greek also has the following:
From G507; from above; by analogy from the first; by implication anew: - from above
, again, from the beginning (very first), the top.
From what I see how we change daily, this "from above" makes sense to me. That is how I experience it anyway. God shows me His truth, through His Word and He changes me "from above". I have not found this to be a one time experience at all like most believe.
Scriptures like this one is great to back this up with:Joh 3:31 He that cometh from above
is above all: he that is of the earth is of the earth, and of the earth he speaketh: he that cometh from heaven is above all. Its great, because if Christ is in us, then He came "from above" because the Bible also says:Joh 3:27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it have been given him from heaven
. (from above
This is so exciting
God is so faithful. I start answering things, and then I start learning ! What a beautiful picture of our old self being replaced by the spirit of Christ from above, every day. Amazing stuff.