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Posted 28 June 2008 - 05:32 AM

The serpent seed and the Kenites
Two additional distinguishing and erroneous doctrines of the Shepherd's Chapel are known as the Serpent Seed doctrine and the Kenite doctrine. These are intimately related. The Serpent Seed doctrine is the teaching that in the Garden of Eden, the serpent (the devil) had sexual relations with Eve. The result was that she bore Cain. The descendents of Cain are called Kenites. Abel, however, is the result of Adam and Eve having relations.

Arnold Murray, the pastor of the Shepherd's Chapel, is the primary advocate of these doctrines, which he adamantly, teaches and which his followers have adopted as biblical truth. Mr. Murray states,

When you look for the in-depth meaning of "men as trees, walking," you are able to see that Christ wants us to understand there are plantings of God and plantings of the devil. The plantings of that wicked one began in the garden of Eden with the conception of Cain and follow down through his progeny, the Kenites. (Newsletter #195, Jan 1995. See also, #202, August 1995).
The Kenites, according to Mr. Murray, must be exposed. "We must continue to teach who the Kenites are," says Mr. Murray (Newsletter #190, August 1994). He states that the Kenites survived the flood (he denies the global flood) and are found in the lineage of Israel, not Judah (Newsletter #179, Sept. 1993). Eventually, the Kenites permeated the nation of Israel and are the ones who shouted "Crucify Him," in reference to Jesus (Newsletter #179, Sept. 1993).

In an attempt at biblical support, on his website at Answers to Critics, Mr. Murray states:

In Gen. 3:15 God is speaking to the serpent, "and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shall bruise his heel."
Mr. Murray infers that when God says "thy seed" to Satan, He is referring to the Kenites, the descendents of Cain which were literally produced through the literal "seed" of Satan.

Of course, I disagree with Mr. Murray in his analysis. We do not really know exactly what form Satan was in the Garden, though I will submit to God's word and affirm it was a snake of some sort. The word "serpent" is "nachash" and means serpent or snake. If we take the word literally and it means "snake," then Mr. Murray would be forced to explain how a literal snake could have sexual intercourse with Eve. If Mr. Murray were to acknowledge the potential of a figurative usage of the term here, then he needs to explain why the term "serpent" would be figurative and the term "seed" would be literal. Furthermore, if the serpent were Satan in a different form, and Eve spoke to the serpent, then did Eve have sex with a snake or with a different form of the snake; that is, did the snake change into another more apropos form to consummate his deception? If so, wouldn't Eve have been suspicious of a talking snake that changes form into something else with which she then agrees to sexual intercourse? As you can see, the issue, from Mr. Murray's perspective, is wrought with problems -- none of which he has answered.

Nevertheless, his entire position is easily refuted when we examine Gen. 4:1: "Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, "I have gotten a manchild with the help of the Lord." We can see that the Bible clearly tells us who the Father of Cain is: Adam. The Serpent Seed idea is proven wrong.

In addition, I believe that it is more natural to attribute the term "seed" in Gen. 3:15 as a reference to the spiritual descendents of Satan, not his literal ones. We can see that being a true spiritual descendent is by faith, not by biology.

"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God" (Rom. 2:28-29).
"For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God" (Rom. 8:14).
"The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him in order that we may also be glorified with Him" (Rom. 8:16).
"That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants" (Rom. 9:8).
Clearly, being a descendent has a spiritual quality. Likewise, Satan's descendents are those who identify with him in his lies. This is why Jesus said in John 8:44 to the Pharisees, "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature; for he is a liar, and the father of lies."

In addition, "seed" is also referred to as the word of God (Matt. 13:18-23; Luke 8:11; 1 Pet. 1:23) and as the spiritual life in (1 John 3:9). The whole flavor of spiritual identification with God is included in terms of being the offspring of God (Gal. 3:29; Acts 17:28) and the children of God (Rom. 8:16-17). Consider 1 John 3:9 which says, "No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." Obviously, the Christian does not contain the literal seed of God in him. Seed here, must refer to a spiritual element of indwelling, of ideology, and of faith. The Christian does not practice sin. It is against his beliefs and confession. Therefore, God's seed abides in the Christian - it isn't literal seed as a descendent through procreation, but through spiritual identification.

Us against Them
The Serpent Seed doctrine is an unscriptural and unfortunate teaching. From it is derived an "us against them" mentality in which anyone who disagrees with Mr. Murray can easily be accused of being a Kenite. This is obvious in some of his quotes:

"How many today are teaching from a quarterly written by a Kenite, rather than teaching from God's Word?" (Newsletter #193, Nov. 1994)
"How can we sum this up? If you are doing God's will, don't worry about criticism from others. 'Well, Pastor Murray, they say we are a cult.' Who cares what they say? God is on our side. Victory is a certainty. Does it ever seem like the enemy is winning? Anytime you get to feeling this way, turn to Psalms 9. This Psalm tells us what we should be earnestly expecting. Keep the meaning of 'apokaradokia' in mind as we read this Psalm" (Newsletter #229 - November 1997).
Of course, if you study with him you are not being deceived, but if you are studying elsewhere, you're studying with a Kenite or siding with the enemy. Such are the machinations of this leader who teaches false doctrines.

Please be very wary of the Shepherd's Chapel.

http://www.carm.org/...erpent_seed.htm
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"...if there is any romantic idealization of what community is going to confer, or mean for us, we are already in the place of unreality and deception. A much more realistic view of church as community should rather be the enjoyment and appreciation of Christian fellowship with all of its failures and inconveniences, while we are in the process of growing up together." Art Katz

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Posted 28 June 2008 - 05:54 AM

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=uf2Xa3H0eQI

Apparently Pastor Murray believes in following Leviticus 24:15-16 literally. "15 And speak to the people of Israel, saying, Whoever curses his God shall bear his sin. 16 Whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall stone him. The sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death."

Just watch this "clip." (pun intended)

Pastor Arnold Murray: "Here, take this 9mm to that boy!"

ABSOLUTELY HILLARIOUS, AND SCAREY.

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"...if there is any romantic idealization of what community is going to confer, or mean for us, we are already in the place of unreality and deception. A much more realistic view of church as community should rather be the enjoyment and appreciation of Christian fellowship with all of its failures and inconveniences, while we are in the process of growing up together." Art Katz

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Posted 28 June 2008 - 06:18 AM

Pastor Arnold Murray, an Identity preacher from Gravette, Arkansas, calls them "Kenites" (an Old Testament people he identifies as "Cainites") and believes they were associated with Judah until they took over leadership of that tribe. These "Jews" were the people who killed Christ. Pastor Murray teaches that calling the Jews the chosen people of God is the gravest of sins. He says, "Bless your heart if you have ever been deceived by the Kenite, and I am speaking now on the spiritual level, if you have ever really believed that group was the chosen of God you were deceived by Satan. Repent of that even more so than your personal sins in the personal sense."[4]

4. Arnold Murray, Grace: Baptism (cassette #406) (Gravette, AR: Shepherd's Chapel, n.d.).
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Although Arnold Murray affirms that all the other races are good, he offers the public, without apology, the book Tracing Our Ancestors by Frederick Haberman. Haberman writes: "It must be noticed that there is a great difference between the three principal races of mankind...and there exists little relationship between the three. The white race were unquestionably the last comers, being in every way superior to the other two and constituting their leaders and teachers."[8] Pastor Murray also teaches that even among Christians the different races should have no fellowship.[9] All Identity groups certainly see the white race ruling over the other races.

8. Federick Haberman, Tracing Our Ancestors (n.p., n.d.), 10. Reference is made within the book to Hitler in Germany, dating the book sometime before World War II.

9. Murray, Grace: Baptism.

Wesley Swift used occult legends as "truths" in his sermons. His bizarre teachings included stories about Atlantis and Lemuria, fictional civilizations included in most occult philosophy. Identity teachers of today such as Pastor Arnold Murray maintain that the great Pyramid was built by the Israelites and is a second revelation of God. The idea that the measurements of the pyramid are encoded with a revealed message is occultic, since the message is both supernaturally given and esoteric, known only by those initiated into that knowledge. Identity also embraces astrology and occultic tales of Jesus visiting Britain.

6/8/1985: Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chapel predicted that the war of Armageddon will start on 1985-JUN 8-9 in "a valley of the Alaskan peninsula."
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"...if there is any romantic idealization of what community is going to confer, or mean for us, we are already in the place of unreality and deception. A much more realistic view of church as community should rather be the enjoyment and appreciation of Christian fellowship with all of its failures and inconveniences, while we are in the process of growing up together." Art Katz

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Posted 28 June 2008 - 06:35 AM

Arnold Murray

Denies the historic doctrine of the Trinity.
Believes that men were once "gods" who existed prior to living on the earth.
Teaches the divisive doctrine promoted by other cults that the Anglo-Saxons are the chosen race, and America and Great Britain are the lost tribes of the children of Israel.
Denies the existence of hell.
Claims the doctrine of the rapture is "cultic."
Bestows a special honor on himself, claiming to be God’s exclusive end time messenger for the world.


The core of his teaching centers around the "serpent seed" doctrine that has been linked to various identity "Christian" and right-wing neo-nazi groups. What this doctrine teaches is that in the Garden of Eden, Eve’s sin was that of having literal sexual intercourse with the serpent, which resulted in the pregnancy that produced Cain; the devil’s literal offspring.

Murray says the descendants of this offspring are the "Kenites," a hybrid that include the Jews of today. These were the "Jews" who killed Christ, he has stated in his tape called "Grace: Baptism," adding that "if you have ever really believed that group was the chosen of God you were deceived by Satan!"

In the same tape Murray teaches that even among Christians the different races should have no fellowship.

But Paul says in Gal. 3:28: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."


Murray denies the three persons of God, claiming they are merely three offices. Concerning the Trinity, he said:

You have these yo-yo's that will say, 'Well I want you to think like of water (sic) and ice' and so on, various gases or so forth, or then they'll say, 'I want you to think of a 200 watt bulb, and a 150 watt bulb, and a 50 watt bulb.' Well, they're all the same wattage, friend. So why not just simplify it instead of playing stupid games, and understand there are three offices of the Godhead. Like this little lady said. She said, 'To my husband I am a wife, to my children I am a mother, that's my office. To hundreds of third graders I am their teacher and have been down through the years. That's a different office; none of them the same, but I'm still the same person.' I like that. It's simple and to the point (The Shepherd's Chapel Question and Answer period, aired 6-4-91).

Referring to Christ, Murray says, "His spirit is holy and his is the Holy Spirit." (Shepherd's Chapel Question and Answers period, aired 5-8-91) Hence, Murray is guilty of teaching the heresy of modalism, which states that Jesus is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (one Person in three roles, or modes). One of the accusations made against CRI by the followers of Arnold Murray is that Mr. Murray does hold to the eternal deity of Christ. However, since Murray does not believe in the three Persons of the Trinity, he cannot logically hold to the deity of Jesus Christ being the eternal Son of God, Second Person of the Trinity. Having made these statements, he inconsistently says, "A wise man never discusses the Trinity." Ibid., 5-15-91)

Arnold Murray also believes that men were once gods who existed prior to living on the earth. In Genesis 1:26 when referring to the "Our" and "Us" (which has normally been understood to mean the Persons of the Trinity: Mal. 2:10 cf. Job 9:8; Isa. 44:24) Murray says, "he spoke to the Elohim, meaning God and his children, let us make that man in our image, which is to say make it look in the likeness that we are. Do you appear as your soul appeared in the world that was?" – "I told you, that God said "In Our image, Our likeness" the Elohim were standing there, they were from before." (Tape #146) "We always were with Him [God] until you were born into this earth." (Kenites, Tape #436) Similar to the cultic teaching of the Mormons, Murray declares that God is "one man,…our Father," and like the Oneness Pentecostals, God "(sic) gots three offices he serves." (Shepherd's Chapel Questions and Answers period, aired 5-14-91)

He also states that the Kenites are not a race, "but a hybrid." (Genesis 1:1-6:22, tape #146) He thus seems to implicitly consider them to be less than human. Mr. Murray claims that many of the Kenites are Jewish! Based upon the "creed" of the Shepherd's Chapel, Murray states, "We believe in an existing Satan… who has a people who will not hear God (John 8:44-47)." (Our Statement of Faith, p. 2) In John 8:44-47, the context clearly states that these people who are the "children of the devil" are Jews (8:31-58).

Hence, Murray believes that Jesus is referring to these particular Jews as the literal offspring of Satan. Regarding the Jews he writes, "Now, who stands in Jerusalem today?.. the sons of Cain, or those who will not accept Jesus Christ.. the Kenites, that founded a new nation starting in 1948." (The Shepherd's Bible Commentary by Arnold Murray, 1979) he calls them "scum," and obviously makes the racial Jewish businessmen remark when he states, "If you want to get a Kenite upset, bother his money table." (Parable of the Fig Tree, Tape #445) Murray connects these Jews with Cain by Christ's comment in John 8:44 that their father was a "murderer from the beginning." To affirm these Jews as the offspring of Cain (i.e., the Kenites), Murray refers to Cain's murder of Abel in Genesis 4. One can only conclude that Mr. Murray has made statements that label him as a white supremacist. He might tell colored people to be proud of who they are, but then again, so do some white supremacists. The real questions the followers of Arnold Murray need to ask are: Does Arnold Murray think that non-whites are equal to white in every respect? Does he approve of interracial Christian marriages like the Bible does? (Gen. 16; Num. 12 cf., Gen. 10:6 & Amos 9:7; Song of Sol. 1:5-7 cf., 3:7-11; I Cor. 7:39; Gal. 3:28 [note: The only type of marriage the Bible forbids is one between believer and nonbeliever: Ex. 34:14-16; I Cor. 7:39; 2 Cor. 6:14]) Would Mr. Murray let a black or a Christian of Jewish ancestry preach at his church – perhaps even take it over if he were to pass away?

The Anglo-Israelism theory has been refuted, and virtually no reputable scholar or historian today would promote it. The Assyrian and Babylonian captivities in 722 B.C. and 586 B.C. forever ended the schism between Judah and Israel. From about that time on, the terms "Jew" and "Israelite" were used interchangeably. Further, there is no sufficient evidence that the Scythians (the supposed missing link between Israel and Great Britain) were ever connected with the ten tribes of Israel. By comparing the etymologies of English words from the most respected English dictionary (Oxford English Dictionary), there is simply no sufficient evidence to support any connection between the Anglo-Saxon and Hebrew tongues.

The Old Testament also uses the children of Judah and the ten tribes of Israel together after the Jews returned from the Babylonian captivity in 536 A.D. (Ezra 2:70; 6:17; 7:6-15; Neh. 7:73; 12:44-47; Zech. 1:19; 8:13; 10:6; cf. 2 Chron. 11:3-17; 15;9). Many of these texts are the fulfillment of Ezekiel 37;15-25 (cf. Jer. 31:27; 50:40).

In the New Testament the Jews and the ten tribes of Israel are mentioned many times without any distinction made between them (e.g., Matt. 10:5,6; 15:24; Luke 2:36; 22:30; Acts 2:14,22,23,36; James 1:1; Rev. 7:4-8). Both Jesus and Paul were Jews (Matt. 27:11 cf. Rom. 9:1-4; Acts 21:39 cf., Rom. 11:11-2). Since all New Testament Christians are God's chosen people, racial distinctions no longer matter (John 1:12-14; Acts 10:34; 17:26 cf. Gen. 3:20; Rom. 8:14; 1 Pet. 2:9; Col. 3:11; Gal. 3:28; Rev. 5:9,10). All humanity has sinned (Rom. 3:23; 5:12-20); thus, as William H. Baker states, "The so-called races must be equal, because sin is what produces undesirable traits, not race" (Moody Monthly, "Equal Before God," p. 19, 1-87).
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"...if there is any romantic idealization of what community is going to confer, or mean for us, we are already in the place of unreality and deception. A much more realistic view of church as community should rather be the enjoyment and appreciation of Christian fellowship with all of its failures and inconveniences, while we are in the process of growing up together." Art Katz

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Posted 28 June 2008 - 06:40 AM

Arnold Murray claims to be God's exclusive messenger for this era. Although he says that not all Christians are deceived, he nevertheless ostracizes all orthodox denominations as being deceived. First, all teachers who do not hold to a literal offspring of God and Satan (i.e., the serpent seed doctrine), are considered by Murray as "nothing but a bunch of self-righteous hypocrites blinded by what sounds good to men's ears." (Tape #436)

Second, Christians who believe in a literal six day creation are deceived and many are going to hell (i.e., all or most fundamentalists). "Only an idiot will stand and argue…such a thing [young earth creationism], for the manuscripts declare that this earth, not this earth age, but this earth is millions of years old…A lot are going to hell unless they realize 'the destruction that was' (i.e., the gap theory between Genesis 1:1 & 1:2)…Take the blinders…off of your eyes where you just have tunnelvision, one earth age. You can't understand God's Word if that's all you see" (Ibid.). Third, Christians who believe in the rapture, speak in tongues, or celebrate Easter are deceived (that includes all major branches of Christianity; Protestant, Catholic, and Eastern Orthodox!). "Do we know anyone deceived by any of Satan's lies? Do we believe in rapture, or babbling, or Easter, etc.?… To flirt with doctrines, beliefs, and traditions that are contrary to what Christ taught endangers the pureness of your soul…Recognize the false from the true so you may come to the wedding, worthy and accountable to be accepted." (The Shepherd's Chapel Newsletter #126, 4-89) fourth, he claims that the majority of Christians have been "wrong since the beginning" (i.e., historic orthodox Christianity). (Parable of the Fig Tree, Tape #445)

Ultimately, Mr. Murray subtly pressures his listeners to choose between his "prophetic" word, or "the doctrine of the Pharisees" of orthodox Christianity. "But, deep down in your souls when you must make the decision to stand for your Father or the traditions of man, it can separate you from friends and loved one." (Newsletter #129, 6-80) In defiance of Acts 1:7, Mr. Murray set an end time date by claiming that the Antichrist would appear by 1981. This prediction, of course, turned out to be false. "Lucifer was taken to the pit… Know from the 2nd chapter of 2 Thessalonians that he shall soon return. The book of Daniel very clearly states that it shall happen before the year 1981, if you have any understanding at all of the wisdom of the elect in the last days." (Seed of the Serpent, version taped in 1979) yet, in spite of his prejudices, false doctrine, and false prophecies, he states, "I am a servant of the living God that carries the end time message, and it's either time to wake up now, or go down with your boat, friend." (The Shepherd's Chapel Questions and Answers period, aired 5-16-91)
The importance of prophecy and Israel in the end of the age:http://www.christian...s...st&p=250968

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"...if there is any romantic idealization of what community is going to confer, or mean for us, we are already in the place of unreality and deception. A much more realistic view of church as community should rather be the enjoyment and appreciation of Christian fellowship with all of its failures and inconveniences, while we are in the process of growing up together." Art Katz

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Posted 28 June 2008 - 10:16 AM

If we google the authors of these writings we are going to find people calling them fake I just got done doing it,,,, and if you google those authors you will find people calling them fake so on and so on, so why get caught up in the articles of men????

This thread is dead, its better to just preach the word and leave names and denominations out of it, is Gods word not sufficient in all things???
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