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#31 User is offline   crownsevenalphabet 

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 08:48 AM

View PostShekel, on May 9 2008, 12:27 PM, said:

I am reminded of this little sign that happened on the 60th anniversary of the UN.



Perhaps a similar sign will occur on Israel's anniversary?

A mina in the bible was worth 60 shekels. "Mene" in "mene mene tekel uparsin" in the writing on the wall (Daniel 5) also means a mina (that is, a coin worth 60 shekels in Babylon). Hence, "mina mina", or "60 and 60 shekels", which I said back 2.5 years ago speaks of years.

60 years/shekels for the UN and 60 years/shekels for Israel???

A little far fetched I know, until you read the mene tekel bible code!

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Shekel:
Read about the Moses lifting up the serpent on the pole and its
relationship to the May 14th, 2008 sixty(60) years anniversary and the
. . . " Their sixty years there are known as the Exile " ( read below )

http://www.lectorpre...ross_yrABC.html
First reading, Numbers 21:4b-9
Our Liturgical Setting: In today's gospel, John 3:13-17, Jesus refers to the incident related here. "And just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life," Jesus says. The lifting up of the Son of Man means all of his being raised on the cross, being raised from death, and being raised to the right hand of the Father. So, as is often the case, the gospel takes a symbol, a stance, or an action from the Hebrew Scriptures and shows Jesus transforming and transcending it. Jesus makes old forms obsolete, introducing something unexpected and, if not unprecedented, "underprecedented."

The Historical Situation: The Book of Numbers tells parts of the story of the Hebrews' journey from Egypt to the Promised Land, events that happened in the 13th century B.C.E. But the book as we have it was written much later. In the early 6th century B.C.E., the descendants of those earlier settlers were invaded and defeated, and many were taken as captives to Babylon. Their sixty years there are known as the Exile. When they finally got to return to their homeland, by then known as Judah, their priests wanted to help restore the nation. One of their methods was to revive a sense of the people's more glorious early history, so they retold a number of ancient stories from the time of Moses, producing what we now know as the Book of Numbers.
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The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man; that it may remain in the house.
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Posted 12 May 2008 - 08:50 AM

View PostStephen, on May 7 2008, 04:01 PM, said:

Israel celebrates 60 years of statehood

Itzik: State of Israel is an unusual success story

By News Agencies

Tags: Israel, Independence Day

Amid tight security, Israel Wednesday night kicked off 24 hours of celebrations marking the 60th anniversary of its foundation in May 1948.

Overseen by Knesset Speaker Dalia Itzik, officers raised the Israeli flag from half to full mast, opening a one-hour ceremony at Jerusalem's Mount Herzl, which was to be followed by fireworks and outdoor celebrations throughout the country.

Itzik addressed the crowd at Mount Herzl, saying "the state of Israel is an unusual success story, a wonder by any historical standard."

At the start of her speech, Itzik expressed her sympathy for the bereaved families of Israel's fallen soldiers, saying "at this time only a few people are left to hug the gravestones at the military cemeteries. Millions of citizens owe them their endless gratitude. We will never be able to repay our debt to them."

"We had no miracles," she went on to say, "We built this splendid achievement with our own hands. There is no other country in the world like the state of Israel."

Itzik also addressed the negative aspects of Israeli society, saying "we are aware of grave phenomenon of violence in our society. It is not our wars with our enemies that will break us, but rather we, with our own hands, are capable of dragging ourselves down to places in which we don't want to be."

The Knesset speaker also addressed the world's Arab leaders, saying "we seek peace and we desire peace for your children as well, but beware - our children know very well the art of war if it is required."

Twelve adults, accompanied by 12 children representing the future generation of Israel, then lit twelve torches to honor Israel's anniversary.

The fireworks were to light up the skies from Eilat in the south, to Nahariya in the north. Throughout the evening and night, hundreds of thousands are expected to attend performances by local artists and musicians on outdoor stages erected on central squares across Israel.

Laser and light shows will also be held in a number of major cities.

On Wednesday during the day, the Israel Air Force was to perform off the shores of Tel Aviv and elsewhere, while dozens of naval vessels were to sail from the port city of Haifa in the north to that of Ashdod in the south.

Israelis are also expected to flock to nature reserves and museums, which are open to the public gratis in celebration of the occasion.

Thousands of police, including special units, were to secure the events. Roadblocks were to be set up at city entrances and beefed up forces have begun patrolling the border with the West Bank and Gaza, police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said.

The police have raised their alert to the second-highest level, amid warnings that Arab militants might try to mar the festivities with a major attack.

Israel declared statehood on May 14, 1948, a day before the expiry of Britain's United Nations-mandate over historic Palestine. It traditionally celebrates Independence Day according to the Jewish calendar, which this year falls almost a week before May 14.

Israel's 60th Independence Day began with a great sense of pride but also uncertainty about its future and doubts about prospects for peace with the Palestinians. Six decades after rising from the ashes of the Holocaust, the Jewish state is still plagued by existential threats from abroad and an identity crisis at home.

Israel at 60 is a paradox of exuberance and despair - a country enduring near daily rocket attacks from Gaza militants while producing scientists who have pioneered Wi-Fi and instant messaging.

Independence Day began just as Memorial Day for fallen soldiers ended - a jarring contrast between solemnity and joy that underlines the link Israelis see between their military and the existence of their state.

NASA astronaut Garrett Reisman, the first Jewish crew member on the International Space Station, on Wednesday sent a greeting from space to the people of Israel.

Every time the Station flies over the State of Israel, I try to find a window, and it never fails to move me when I see the familiar outline of Israel coming toward us from over the horizon, he said.

Later Wednesday, Jewish communities around the world were joining Israelis in a rendition of the Israeli national anthem - Hatikva, or The Hope. Their goal: to enter the Guinness Book of World Records for the most people singing a national anthem at the same time.

U.S. President George W. Bush will attend a conference in Jerusalem next week marking the anniversary, along with Tony Blair, Henry Kissinger, Mikhail Gorbachev, Rupert Murdoch and a co-founder of Google.

Peres, Israel's 84-year-old president, is hosting the conference, along with a party for 60-year-old Israelis born on the day Israel declared its independence, re-establishing Jewish sovereignty in the Holy Land for the first time in nearly 2,000 years.

"We are small in size, small in numbers, so we cannot become a big market or a big industry," Peres recently told The Associated Press. "But Israel can become a daring laboratory."

In Israel's early days, Peres worked for the country's founding father, David Ben Gurion. Peres went on to become prime minister three times, in addition to winning the Nobel Peace Prize. Now he spends time promoting Israel as a green country and a high-tech powerhouse - including a government plan to install the world's first electric car network here by 2011, with recharging stations all over the country.

Israeli venture capitalists in Jerusalem are setting up an online multimedia encyclopedia generated by users, and a product called Pop Tok that sends video clips from movies and TV shows as instant messages.

Yet Israel is also home to Sderot, a little town near the border with Hamas-ruled Gaza where people huddle in bomb shelters almost every day to escape militants' rockets. Israelis strive to live normal lives, but they live in an abnormal neighborhood, threatened by Iranian-backed militants on both their northern and southern flanks.

They see Iran as their greatest existential threat, with its nuclear program they fear will soon be used to make weapons and its president's public calls for their destruction.

Yet Israel's conflict with the Palestinians is the biggest obstacle to its quest for normalcy. The fighting has only intensified since the Jewish state's creation resulted in the displacement of hundreds of thousands of Arabs, and has become a rallying point for Muslim extremists throughout the world.

Palestinians refer to Israel's creation as 'al-Naqba', or the catastrophe.

60 years of statehood...I was born that year...1948...it proves to me that dispensationalism is wrong...Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. God has a covenant with us and the Israel of God.

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 09:13 AM

"60 years of statehood...I was born that year...1948...it proves to me that dispensationalism is wrong...Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. God has a covenant with us and the Israel of God."

1948 was only a prelude and stage setting event [Israel began migrating to the land long before 1948], not the actual fulfillment of the visions for national Israel. These things are still pending. The term "generation" should not be compared with a 60 year life span, or any average life span at all. Most humans live much longer today. All of His discourse is about national Israel living at the time when all of His projections will take place. The time lapse will be 7 years of tribulation and then He will establish His millennial kingdom with Israel at the center. This 7 year time frame is still future and no one knows when the Lord will begin the process. So your interpretation is incorrect as stated and so is your view of what you call the "Israel of God" by equating it with the Body of Christ.

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 09:24 AM

View PostStephen, on May 12 2008, 08:13 AM, said:

"60 years of statehood...I was born that year...1948...it proves to me that dispensationalism is wrong...Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. God has a covenant with us and the Israel of God."

1948 was only a prelude and stage setting event [Israel began migrating to the land long before 1948], not the actual fulfillment if the visions for national Israel. These things are still pending. The term "generation" should not be compared with a 60 year life span, or any average life span at all. Most humans live much longer today. All of His discourse is about national Israel living at the time when all of His projections will take place. The time lapse will be 7 years of tribulation and then He will establish His millennial kingdom with Israel at the center. This 7 year time frame is still future and no one knows when the Lord will begin the process. So your interpretation is incorrect as stated and so is your view of what you call the "Israel of God" by equating it with the Body of Christ.

Dispensationalists are also wrong for they assess the dates of engagement of the very end from the birth of Israel do they not? Whether I misfire or not on this, the fact is God is working through covenant, not predetermination, or dispensation. That makes Hal Lindsay a false teacher...yet he continues to beguile the masses as do many others of that ilk...

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 09:58 AM

"Dispensationalists are also wrong for they assess the dates of engagement of the very end from the birth of Israel do they not? Whether I misfire or not on this, the fact is God is working through covenant, not predetermination, or dispensation. That makes Hal Lindsay a false teacher...yet he continues to beguile the masses as do many others of that ilk..."


>Dispensational evaluation in the purest sense is not a faulty interpretation of end time exegesis regarding time frames and time lapse. It simply means that there are time segments assigned in the Lord's planning like Paul states in Ephesian's 3. This fact is a foundational Biblical truth and necessary to be understood for the correct rendering of visionary prophecy. Some have taken this basic Biblical truth and extended it in many ways like attempting to set dating from 1948. The scriptures do not allow for determining the Lord's beginning intervention at the time of the end. This timing has not been revealed. There are several issues presented by some "dispensational" views like Lindsey's that need scrutiny and upgrading like the "peace agreement" idea taken from the covenant presented in Daniel 9 which is not a peace agreement at all. Neither will there be any tribulation temple re-build on the mount. Other things like the removal of the Lord's Holy Spirit to support the timing of the "rapture" of the church, a Russian invasion of Israel, and the idea that the Pope, the RCC, and a united Europe are presented in scripture are just speculative "ideas". I would not say that Lindsey is a false teacher, but just has some of the details wrong and that he neglects to review and adjust his position to a more accurate rendering. There are many who have been and are much more deceptive with their aberrant teachings.

>I will say this: I disagree with you about your thinking that national Israel is excluded from end time prophecy as presented in scripture and in reality if that is what you propose. Throwing this truth to the wind should not be done just because some Bible presenters that hold it have other errors in their teaching. If you do this, you will definitely set yourself off course if your objective is to gain correct understanding. The covenant confirmed in Daniel is the 70 weeks of years decreed for the nation and the last 7' is still pending. The Lord will confirm and execute the balance of this covenant to reach the 6 objectives stated for a believing remnant part of Israel during the 70th week [this covenant is not for the church of both Jew and Gentile without regard for national identity]. Lindsey and others interpret this in error to mean some sort of a false peace agreement between Israel and the nation's enemies. This is a common error made by many who interpret Bible prophecy.

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Posted 13 May 2008 - 07:00 AM

What's more magnified to me at this time concerning a Letter of Intent is it's symbolic parallel to the intended "road map to peace" Will moving and giving up all you've worked for appease your nemesis? Or is it grasping at straws? And what will the world think if you back out of a plan and a move that has much time, effort and expectation attached. Further alienation..that's what it will bring.

We backed out of our Letter of Intent...Why? Because what looked like a good idea in the beginning had more complications attached to it than first seen or that we are willing to accept. Like a shared well and being neighbors to people you've had difficult negotiations with...That would have been only some of our lot had we continued.

So what will happen with the peace process l wonder? All the people attached waiting to make a move and to get on with their lives based on what you do......once again put on hold.....
If this peace process fails l would really be surprised if the US will be willing to broker the process again. I don't think my real estate agent sister is anxious to work with us again... :blush:

But if you can see the writing on the wall you can't make the decision of a move based on pleasing your broker...or other people that are waiting for you to get out of your house so they can get in.
No. That decision is too important and the long term consequences must be considered especially when seen from previous mistakes.

We sold land before and really regretted it. The people who took it over undid much of the work and heart we put in towards bringing it to it's natural state...

So just as we're reminded of that mistake l know Gaza is staring them daily in the face. I believe they regret it deeply.

I believe they've wanted to go forward with the West Bank with cringing expectations that it would somehow justify and cover Gaza. But honestly...I think the grim reality that that won't work is about to hit home. All decisions have consequences...some bigger than others. Will Israel be further alienated if they back out of this plan? Alinated from their broker sister...the USA? Yeh...probably just wild speculation on my part huh...

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