Hi! I hope you all are enjoying the holiday season!
I came back to this thread today because over a year and half ago brother excubitor made a promise and has not fulfilled it ever since. Here it was:
Victorius, on May 21 2008, 07:16 AM, said:
excubitor, on May 20 2008, 01:01 AM, said:
Victorius, on May 20 2008, 01:08 PM, said:
In all your posts on this thread, you avoided the very core and foundation of the Bible Wheel, which is the thematic correlation between the 22 Letters and the 66 Books. You have refuted NONE of the countless examples that were provided to prove that the Book Themes track with the meaning of the Hebrew Letters. Then on post #565 you finally managed to at least lay your little finger upon it by asking questions about Spoke 20. You said "please answer these questions or else I will be forced to conclude that you are a pot calling a kettle black and are in fact yourself running and hiding from these important questions." They were answered point by point. Now the onus in on you to clearly address the reply like a Christian debater.
But what do you choose to do? You willfully pretend that your questions have not been addressed. That's the center of the debate: is the Bible Wheel valid or not? When we really want to narrow the debate to this point, you evade Richard's arguments by ignoring them! Of course it doesn't mean that it is a "refutation" if you push the "Reply" button and intersperse a few words of yours with Richard's arguments. You need to take your time and reflect on each of the numerated points of his answer and see if they are correct or not. If they are incorrect, you need to clearly address the issue, show why it is not correct and expect a rational answer in response. If they are correct, it is your Christian duty to concede and make clear that they are correct.
Its true that I have not yet responded to Richards points on spoke 20. What makes you think I am
evading them?
Of course you are.
Your whole record in this thread shows how you evade clear points that are raised. This is a pattern of behaviour of yours. It has happened a zillion times here. If you were a normal truth-loving Christian seeking to engage in a normal and healthy debate, you would address your brother's points clearly, with no blurring. But you never addressed
any of the countless pieces of evidence shown on this thread that demonstrate how the books of the Bible track with the meaning of the Letters of the Hebrew Alphabet. The sole instance of you actually touching a little of the substance of a Spoke was when you asked those questions about Spoke 20. When Richard answers them
you let the answers slide. On this thread you usually only address the last couple of posts that are posted at the moment and cleverly let all the evidence that was presented before slide to the back of the discussion. I am the one who is continually going back on this thread to look for each and every question that has not been answered so that I can reply to them (and also pointing out how many points are unanswered by you).
Victorius, on May 21 2008, 07:16 AM, said:
Only on this post (#576) did you actually answer one of the questions that I raised hundreds of posts ago. And of course I had to post it numerous times before you acknowledged its existance and wrote something to me.
So I'm calling on you about your evasion so that everyone who is reading this thread can keep track with your unkind behaviour.
excubitor, on May 20 2008, 01:01 AM, said:
[color="#ff0000"][size=3]I have every intention of responding to them and will respond to them when I feel like it.[/size][/color] If I feel like inserting an additional thought regarding the wheel in the mean time, then I'm going to do so.
Any evidence could be verified in a principled discussion of the merit of the Bible Wheel thesis like we were sort of doing in the case of Spoke 20. So our conversation should center on that and not on empty claims with no proof. I can only see post #571 as a form of obfuscation. You read Richard's point-by-point answer but
chose not to answer after you read it. No, right after reading his post your heart
chose to take your time to write another empty claim. And so you evaded the core of this thread which, like I said since my first post here, is the correlation between the 22 Letters and the 66 Books.
Richards answers were barely worthy of response. [color="#ff0000"]
[size=3]But I will respond to it seeing you are so keen to know what I have to say about it. [/size][size=3]Just give me some time and stop badgering please.[/size][/color]
To be honest Richards replies to my questions were barely worthy of response. Richards response had all the characteristics you described above "pushing the reply button and interspersing comments. You can hardly claim that richards responses were satisfactory answers to my questions.
Here you show you true colors. Richard responded in an articulated manner with much clarity.
Even if he did not you would still be obliged to reply to him if you want to assert that the alphabetic structure of Scripture is invalid. That's just an excuse so that you can evade from following a discussion step-by-step. You simply cannot go step by step in a line of reasoning. That's asking to much of you.
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[size=3]I'm not evading anything. I'll get to spoke 20 response when I'm good and ready. Just wait please.[/size][/color]
So there it is. The discussion was moving and the ball was in excubitor's court. He was proved wrong but he was acting as if that wasn't true and was simply trying to excuse himself from the discussion by saying that he would reply sometime later.
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[*]"I have every intention of responding to them and will respond to them
when I feel like it."
[*]"But I will respond to it seeing you are so keen to know what I have to say about it.
Just give me some time and
stop badgering please."
[*]"I'm not evading anything. I'll get to spoke 20 response
when I'm good and ready.
Just wait please."
[/list]Excubitor complained that I was "badgering" and that he would answer 'when he felt like it' and when he got "good and ready". I gave him ample time to reply.
One year and seven months is more than reasonable time.
For a period while I awaited, I demonstrated the powerful connection between the Menorah and the Seven Days of Creation, which is a secondary subject. I refuted point by point of excubitor's objections, and he simply stepped away from the debate, refusing to even acknowledge the existence of my comments.
This shows quite obviously that excubitor cannot follow a step-by-step discussion about the Bible Wheel. He copiously promised to reply but he never did. He lied to himself. I pray for him.
I am documenting this so that those who visit this thread may know what went on. The glory of God's Word is immense, and this glory is reflected on its structure. No weapon that is formed against it can resist.
Praise our Lord the Incarnate Word!
Victor
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