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If I wasn't so much into the Mazzaroth (Hebrew Zodiac), it would've deceived me.
So, I'm sure there are plenty of other lies in this film, too.
Here's are a few easy to refute points.
1a) Jesus was probably NOT born on 12/25.
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"Best Guess: September 29, 5 B.C."
In Rome December 25 was made popular by Pope Liberius in 354 and became the rule in the West in 435 when the first "Christ mass" was officiated by Pope Sixtus III. This coincided with the date of a celebration by the Romans to their primary god, the Sun, and to Mithras, a popular Persian sun god supposedly born on the same day. The Roman Catholic writer Mario Righetti candidly admits that, "to facilitate the acceptance of the faith by the pagan masses, the Church of Rome found it convenient to institute the 25th of December as the feast of the birth of Christ to divert them from the pagan feast, celebrated on the same day in honor of the 'Invincible Sun' Mithras, the conqueror of darkness" (Manual of Liturgical History, 1955, Vol. 2, p. 67).
Source: http://www.new-life.net/chrtms10.htm
In Rome December 25 was made popular by Pope Liberius in 354 and became the rule in the West in 435 when the first "Christ mass" was officiated by Pope Sixtus III. This coincided with the date of a celebration by the Romans to their primary god, the Sun, and to Mithras, a popular Persian sun god supposedly born on the same day. The Roman Catholic writer Mario Righetti candidly admits that, "to facilitate the acceptance of the faith by the pagan masses, the Church of Rome found it convenient to institute the 25th of December as the feast of the birth of Christ to divert them from the pagan feast, celebrated on the same day in honor of the 'Invincible Sun' Mithras, the conqueror of darkness" (Manual of Liturgical History, 1955, Vol. 2, p. 67).
Source: http://www.new-life.net/chrtms10.htm
Google the Star of Bethlehem and you'll find plenty of information regarding planetary alignments and celestial events NOT on 12/25.
1b) There were 3 gifts, but an unknown number of Magi (Kings).
1c) Jesus officially started his ministry at the age of about 30, NOT 12.
Jesus was NOT born on the same day as Mithras, Horus, etc.
2a) They claim the cross constellation, Crux, is associated with the sunrise on the morning of the winter solstice. This is a provable lie. Take ANY astronomy program, move to Cairo, and plug in a solstice or equinox.
Here's an image of this winter's solstice.
You can even go back to 0 AD or so. Even for the Spring Equinox, Yes the sun rises in Pices, but the constellation Crux is on the OTHER side of the sky sphere!
2b) The sun NEVER actually rises or sets EVER in the Cross constellation. In fact, it NEVER gets anywhere near Crux, as Zeitgeist attempts to suggest:
2c) Crux is a SOUTHERN constellation, NOT completely visible ANY time of the year from Egypt.
It is best viewed from Australia, Southern Africa, South America, etc. EVEN IF this constellation pointed to a sunrise on December 22nd, remember that that's the LONGEST day of the year for the Southern Hemisphere...
(You, yes you! You can verify this yourself! http://www.stellarium.org/ I'm sure there are other good programs out there, too.)
Did Jesus EVER compare himself with the Sun in the sky? I don't recall that he did. He does say this:
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Revelation of John 22:16
I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify these things to you over the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the bright and Morning Star.
I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify these things to you over the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the bright and Morning Star.
There is NO connection between the Southern Cross constellation and the sun rise or Jesus.
3) The "dead for 3 days" is wrong, too. The sun does NOT rise in the same spot for 3 days...
Any primitive astronomer could plot the path of the Sun through the year... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analemma
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Clearly ZeitGeist is anti-Christian propaganda, designed to rip away the less knowing Christians and reinforce their own atheistic or satanic belief systems. Note the all-seeing eye at the end of the video... Hmmm....
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[UKJV] I Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
I don't know much about the other ahem, characters he mentions, Horus, Mithras, etc. Would be interesting to find out more to see if they are REALLY what he claims.
Sad that some people might be shaken by this deliberate deception.
I should note that the atrocities of the Inquisition and Crusades are indeed horrible. But the secular world does NOT differentiate between true Christianity and those controlled by the devil. To them, they are one and the same.
To fully refute this video, you'll need the ability to discern between core Judaism with Christianity vs Pagan traditions that infiltrated certain churches.
How come no one's out there trying to refute Budda, Krishna, etc? Hmm? Sheesh.
Please watch, research and add to this refutation...
This post has been edited by abeowitz: 16 December 2007 - 08:15 PM
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