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#13 User is offline   dennis mann 

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 06:56 PM

View PostShekel, on Oct 23 2007, 02:57 PM, said:

View Postdennis mann, on Oct 20 2007, 11:42 PM, said:

coma is a DEEP SLEEP, STUPOR

comma is a punctuation mark,

SHARON is in a coma, he's not in a comma.

my SPIRITUAL GIFT is spelling.....(and stating the obvious)..........

i wanted the GIFT of working miracles, but He didn't give it to me.




notice that the Bereans examined the OT Scriptures to see if Paul was preaching the Truth about Christ.........

God could have worked mighty miracles thru paul to convince the Bereans of the Truth of the Gospel,........but He didn't,..........He commended the Bereans because they studied the SCRIPTURES daily to see if paul's preaching was True or not.

Paul never complained that he must PERSUADE people FROM THE OT SCRIPTURES,..........maybe , it would have been easier to work mighty miracles, but God and Paul didn't do it that way.


so, the Biblical pattern is to PERSUADE PEOPLE FROM THE OT SCRIPTURES, not rely on mighty miracles.

the Bereans did not have the NT (?), Shekel's Bible-codes, Bill Gaither's Home-coming radio show, miracles, TBN, ............
all they had was paul's preaching and the OT.


why is it, that modern-day preaching does very little of..........PERSUADING PEOPLE THAT JESUS OF NAZARETH FULFILLED THE MESSIANIC OT SCRIPTURES, AND THUS , HE MUST BE THE CHRIST?

we've abandoned Paul's method of PERSUADING PEOPLE.

why doesn't this forum have an article that LISTS THE OT MESSIANIC SCRIPTURES and CHRIST'S FULFILLMENT OF THEM? .........just like Paul did it.


Thanks for the spelling correction. :P

Anyway, what if I set you up with a subforum for proofs for the bible called Messianic prophecies or something and then you can work on it?

But I think that you will find that people are gospel hardened and that is why they don't respond.
And many claim to be christians but their lives are the same as everyone else so that there is no conviction to unbelievers. I think that you will find that this is a big problem too.

But if you want to do what you believe was Paul's method then I am happy about that. I would love to set you up and you can write a number of articles and we can comment of them. If you do it I suggest you make a seperate posting about each prophecy rather than one huge page with a million prophecies in it because few read a post beyond one paragraph.

Good idea! :1dsz5h2:




Thanks, you're GREAT!
Let's do it.

We should have a thousand converts by next week.
Name it and Claim it, that's what i always say!

And if Claiming it doesn't work, we'll ask humbly.

Lord Jesus, please help us to do Your Will!

I'll start writing an article.
You do the heavy lifting.
I'll take the fame and fortune.
satan will take a whipping.

If this method of soul-winning does work, we'll give Paul the credit.
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#14 User is offline   Shekel 

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Posted 24 October 2007 - 07:05 AM

View Postdennis mann, on Oct 23 2007, 07:56 PM, said:

View PostShekel, on Oct 23 2007, 02:57 PM, said:

View Postdennis mann, on Oct 20 2007, 11:42 PM, said:

coma is a DEEP SLEEP, STUPOR

comma is a punctuation mark,

SHARON is in a coma, he's not in a comma.

my SPIRITUAL GIFT is spelling.....(and stating the obvious)..........

i wanted the GIFT of working miracles, but He didn't give it to me.




notice that the Bereans examined the OT Scriptures to see if Paul was preaching the Truth about Christ.........

God could have worked mighty miracles thru paul to convince the Bereans of the Truth of the Gospel,........but He didn't,..........He commended the Bereans because they studied the SCRIPTURES daily to see if paul's preaching was True or not.

Paul never complained that he must PERSUADE people FROM THE OT SCRIPTURES,..........maybe , it would have been easier to work mighty miracles, but God and Paul didn't do it that way.


so, the Biblical pattern is to PERSUADE PEOPLE FROM THE OT SCRIPTURES, not rely on mighty miracles.

the Bereans did not have the NT (?), Shekel's Bible-codes, Bill Gaither's Home-coming radio show, miracles, TBN, ............
all they had was paul's preaching and the OT.


why is it, that modern-day preaching does very little of..........PERSUADING PEOPLE THAT JESUS OF NAZARETH FULFILLED THE MESSIANIC OT SCRIPTURES, AND THUS , HE MUST BE THE CHRIST?

we've abandoned Paul's method of PERSUADING PEOPLE.

why doesn't this forum have an article that LISTS THE OT MESSIANIC SCRIPTURES and CHRIST'S FULFILLMENT OF THEM? .........just like Paul did it.


Thanks for the spelling correction. :P

Anyway, what if I set you up with a subforum for proofs for the bible called Messianic prophecies or something and then you can work on it?

But I think that you will find that people are gospel hardened and that is why they don't respond.
And many claim to be christians but their lives are the same as everyone else so that there is no conviction to unbelievers. I think that you will find that this is a big problem too.

But if you want to do what you believe was Paul's method then I am happy about that. I would love to set you up and you can write a number of articles and we can comment of them. If you do it I suggest you make a seperate posting about each prophecy rather than one huge page with a million prophecies in it because few read a post beyond one paragraph.

Good idea! :1dsz5h2:




Thanks, you're GREAT!
Let's do it.

We should have a thousand converts by next week.
Name it and Claim it, that's what i always say!

And if Claiming it doesn't work, we'll ask humbly.

Lord Jesus, please help us to do Your Will!

I'll start writing an article.
You do the heavy lifting.
I'll take the fame and fortune.
satan will take a whipping.

If this method of soul-winning does work, we'll give Paul the credit.


Just let me know when you are ready.

I have found that if you keep the article short then people are far more likely to read it. A good rule of thumb is about 120 words for each post for each prophecy.

You can also have one or two posts that are very large that are pinned at top that contain all the prophecies (each underlined) on one page so people can read it that way if they like, or print them out.

Also, a link from the seperate smaller posts to this main large one would be a very good idea for two reasons: It helps others find the larger post with all messianic prophecies if they wish, and it encourages search engines such as google to rank the main large post high so that others will find it more easily when doing a search on the engines.

My suggestion is that you go slow and post one messianic prophecy at a time --- but that is up to you.
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Posted 24 October 2007 - 07:38 AM

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Thanks, you're GREAT!
Let's do it.

We should have a thousand converts by next week.
Name it and Claim it, that's what i always say!

And if Claiming it doesn't work, we'll ask humbly.

Lord Jesus, please help us to do Your Will!

I'll start writing an article.
You do the heavy lifting.
I'll take the fame and fortune.
satan will take a whipping.

If this method of soul-winning does work, we'll give Paul the credit.


:lol: Dennis your funny!
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Posted 24 October 2007 - 08:17 AM

it seems odd to me that my KJV doesn't rhyme.
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Posted 25 October 2007 - 03:50 PM

It is my prayer that Rice fails completely and comes home and resigns.
She has no bussiness trying to force Israel to consede land for a failed policy.
She and her boss G.W.Bush are bringing severe trouble for our country by
their actions. The dividers of Israel will be punished. Katrina, Fires in California.

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Posted 08 November 2007 - 10:17 AM

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Transcript of Pastor Hagee’s Speech at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) Policy Conference


Good evening dear friends of Israel; thank you for the privilege and pleasure of speaking to this distinguished AIPAC gathering. May I begin by thanking Melvin Dow for his friendship and wisdom that have been a guiding light for me personally and in all out endeavors on behalf of Israel over the years. I also want to thank AIPAC and each of you for being Israels defender in the halls of the US Congress. You are the finest and most efficient advocacy organization in Washington, DC.

On September 10, 1981, we conducted our First Night to Honor Israel in San Antonio and there are two people with me tonight that made that First Night to Honor Israel possible - my wife Diana, the love of my life and Rabbi Aryeh Sheinberg without whose courage there would never have been the First Night to Honor Israel nor the birth of Christians United for Israel. There to my left, would you please stand; Id like you to be welcomed by this great group of people.

We meet tonight at dangerous and difficult time in world history. To anyone with eyes to see and ears that hear, it is clear that Israel is in the gravest danger she has faced since six Arab armies tried to strangle the Jewish state in the birth canal in 1948. I know that during difficult days such as this when it seems that the whole world is against Israel many in the Jewish community nervously scan the globe searching for friends. You look toward the United Nations which Dore Gold calls The Tower of Babble. You look at Europe where the ghost of Hitler is again walking across the stage of history. You open your newspapers and read about American universities where Israel is being viciously vilified by students taught by professors whose Middle Eastern chairs are sponsored by Saudi Arabia. You look to Americas mainline churches and their initiatives to divest from Israel. You go to the bookstore and see slanderous titles by the former President of the United States and you feel very much alone.

I came here tonight to speak about Christians United for Israel and millions of evangelicals in America who have a deep-seated faith-based belief to love Israel, to speak up for Israel, to standup for Israel, to pray for Israel and to financially support Israel until Israel achieves a just and lasting peace.

I came here tonight to deliver a message to you from those millions of evangelicals in America and I want to say this as clearly and plainly as I can possibly say it Israel you are not alone.

There are millions of evangelical Christians across America who consider the Jewish people the apple of Gods eye, who see you as the chosen people, a cherished people and a covenant people with an eternal covenant that will stand forever. Ladies and gentlemen of AIPAC its a new day in America. The sleeping giant of Christian Zionism has awakened; there are 50 million Christians standing up and applauding the State of Israel.

If a line has to be drawn, draw the line around both Christians and Jews; we are united; we are indivisible; we are bound together by the Torah the roots of Christianity are Jewish. We are spiritual brothers and what we have in common is far greater than the things weve allowed to separate us over the years.

As you know, Iran poses a threat to the State of Israel that promises nothing less than a nuclear holocaust. I have been saying on national television, in churches and auditoriums across America it is 1938; Iran is Germany and Ahmadinejad is the new Hitler. Ladies and gentlemen we must stop Irans nuclear threat and stop it now and stand boldly with Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East. The only way to win a nuclear war is to make certain it never starts. Irans President has not limited his maniacal threats to Israel. He has also asked his fellow Iranians to imagine a world without America. This is a clear threat to destroy the United States of America. I have something to something to say to Irans President or Iran; Mr. Ahmadinejad, dont threaten America.

Do not threaten Israel by saying they will pass away in a sudden storm. In the Bible when Pharaoh threatened the Jewish people of Egypt he became fish food in the Red Sea. When Haman threatened the Jews in Persia in modern-day Iran he and his sons hung from the gallows that he built for the Jews. Mr. Ahmadinejads threats against Israel have a way of becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy; you may be well speaking about your own demise when you talk about passing away with a sudden storm, but you are not talking about Israels future.

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is watching you. King David wrote that thou that keepeth Israel neither slumber nor sleeps. The Christians of America are not going to sit by in silence this time and watch you plod and plan a nuclear holocaust. There will never be another Holocaust - not on our watch and never again.

Beyond that threat from Iran, theres another more subtle threat that concerns me. I am concerned that in the coming months yet another attempt will be made to parcel out parts of Israel in a futile effort to appease Israels enemies in the Middle East. I believe that misguided souls in Europe, I believe that the misguided souls in the political brothel that is now the United Nations and sadly - and sadly even our own State Department will try once again to turn Israel into crocodile food. Winston Churchill said "an appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile in the futile hope that it will eat him last." In 1938, Czechoslovakias Sudetenland land was turned into crocodile food for Nazi Germany. The Nazi beast smelled the weakness in the appeasers, ate the food and marched and devoured most of Europe and systematically slaughtered 6,000,000 Jewish people.

We are again hearing calls to appease the enemies of Israel. Once again, those who would appease seek to do so at the expense of Israel. They tell us that if we want the Sunnis and the Shiites to stop massacring each other in Iraq then Israel must give up land. They tell us that if we want the Syrians to stop murdering the leaders in Lebanon, then Israel must give up land. They tell us if we want the Saudis to permit women to drive and to vote, Israel must give up land. If we want the sun to rise it the east and set in the west, Israel must give up land.

Let me be clear; Israel is not the problem here.

Scapegoating Israel will not solve the problem; the problem is the Arab rejection of Israels right to exist. The problem is that Israel has no partner for peace; the problem is radical Islams bloodthirsty embrace of a theocratic dictatorship that believes they have a mandate from God to kill Christians and Jews. The problem is the failure of the moderates in the Arab and Muslim world to stand up and rein in these Islamic extremists.

If the moderate Arabs believe that murdering Christians and Jews is wrong then standup and say so - this is America. We welcome your participation in free speech but your silence is deadly.

Appeasement is not the answer my friends. To quote the great evangelical abolitionist William Wilberforce, “appeasement is nothing more than surrender on the installment plan.” America should not pressure Israel to give up land and America must never pressure Israel to divide the City of Jerusalem.

Dore Gold in his latest book, The Fight for Jerusalem, said “turning part or all of Jerusalem to the Palestinians would be tantamount to turning it over to the Taliban.” I agree. Jerusalem is the eternal capital of the Jewish people now and forever. Jerusalem is united under Jewish control and must always remain under Jewish control.

Why do Christians support Israel? Truth is not what I say it is. Truth is not what you think it is. Truth is what the Torah says it is; theres the Torah way and the wrong way. Genesis 12 and 3 says I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you. We believe those blessings are very real and those judgments are very real.

Where are the nations that have persecuted the Jewish people? Where is Pharaoh and his army? Where are the Babylonians? Where are the Greeks? Where is the Ottoman Empire? Where are the Romans? Where is that goose-stepping lunatic Adolf Hitler and his Nazi hoards? All are historic footnotes in the bone yard of human history. Where is Israel? Where are the Jewish people? Theyre alive and well; theyre thriving; theyre prospering; theyre growing - even on a day of adversity theyre still going forward.

Where is Israel? Where are those who are scattered throughout the Diaspora? The mighty right hand of God has gathered them from the nations of the world and Israel was miraculously born May 15, 1948. Israel lives! Shout it from the housetop - Israel lives! Let every Islamic terrorist group hear it - Israel lives! Let every tinhorn dictator in the Middle East hear it - Israel lives! Let it be heard in the halls of the UN - Israel lives! Let it echo down the marble halls of the Presidential Palace in Iran Israel lives! Let it ring in the terrorist camps of Osama Bin Laden - Israel lives! Israel lives! Israel lives!

Jews have suffered programs and persecution; they have outlasted Pharaohs slavery and Hitlers final solution, and I have no doubt that long after Hamas and Hezbollah have been buried in the bone yard of human history, long after the crisis with Iran has been resolved, the Flag of Israel will still be flying over the ancient walls of the sacred city and Jerusalem and Israel will be the praise of all the earth.

Why do Christians support Israel - because Christians deeply believe we owe a debt of gratitude to the Jewish people; you gave us the word of God, you gave us the patriarchs - Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; you gave us the Prophets, Ezekiel, Daniel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Zachariah, Amos, Josiah, Joel not a Baptist in the bunch. The first family of Christianity Mary, Joseph, and Jesus, the Apostles, John the fourth chapter says salvation is of the Jews; thats a New Testament verse. You dont hear it many sermons that preached on that but thats a real verse. Salvation is of the Jews; the point is if you take away the Jewish contribution to Christianity there would be no Christianity. Judaism does not need Christianity to explain its existence, but Christianity cannot explain its existence without Judaism.

Therefore, I have been saying for 26 years over national television its time for Christians to stop praising the dead Jews of the past - Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob while avoiding the Jews who live across the street. Thats anti-Semitism and anti-Semitism is sin and as sin it damns the soul. As Christians tonight on this historic occasion, we ask Gods forgiveness and yours for every act of anti-Semitism in our past. The crusades, the inquisition, Martin Luthers Concerning the Jews and Their Lies; the final solution of Adolf Hitler carried out by baptized Christians in good-standing with their church; the fact that the Roman Church was silent during these atrocities and did not share - we did not share their theology. They did not share our appreciation for the great contribution the Jewish people have given to humanity and to Christianity. Tonight I humbly ask forgiveness of the Jewish people for every act of anti-Semitism and the deafening silence of Christianity in your greatest hour of need during the Holocaust. We were not there; we cannot change the past but together we can shape the future. Think of our potential future together; 50,000,000 evangelicals joining in common cause with 5,000,000 Jewish people in America on behalf of Israel is a match made in heaven.

Let the word go forth from Washington, DC tonight. There is a new beginning in America between Christians and Jews. We pledge to God and to the Jewish people to fulfill the words of the Prophet Isaiah; for Zions sake we will not hold our peace and for Jerusalems sake we will not rest. You who make mention of the Lord do not keep silent and give the Lord no rest until he makes Jerusalem the praise of all the earth. We have organized Christians United for Israel. We have 13 Regional Directors; we have 40 State Directors; we have 80 City Directors and theyre growing. Were organizing Congressional District by Congressional District, so that as body we can standup and speak up for Israel every year in Washington, DC and Congress will know that the matter of Israel is no longer just a Jewish issue; it is a Christian Jewish issue from this day forward.

In closing, I believe 2007 is the year of destiny. America and Israel are at war with a common enemy. It is a war of good versus evil. It is a war of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness versus the culture of death. I close with the words of Winston Churchill, who is my favorite statesman of all time. Spoken during the dark days of World War II when Hitler seemed unbeatable and victory seemed impossible, Churchill said, "you ask what is our aim; I can answer in one word - it is victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of the terror, victory however long and hard the road may be for without victory there is no survival." Ladies and gentlemen, as Christians and Jews, our aim is victory - victory for Israel and victory in our time. May God bless Israel; God bless America; and God bless each of you.

My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.
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