[MMarc]

Let's take it to the creationnal level. Adam was created in the sixth day....

I believe that the last prophetic Adam (Jesus) was also created in the last 6th prophetic day, to cross over to this 7th "day".

You see we will know when Jesus is back when it is a done deal...Like the first time.

And like the first time Jesus was on earth until He received the "spirit of the Lord" which came upon Him.

Remember the testimony of Jesus (what happened to Him) is the spirit of prophecy.

And we know that Jesus was born under the law born of water to redeem those born under the first law (the OT saints)...
Jesus was not there when God sent the 2nd covenant. Jesus then had to born under the 2nd covenant
to redeem those also born under the 2nd covenant (the NT saints).

To be born under the second covenant Jesus needs a vessel prepared for Him like the first time. It is the Spiritual body
of Jesus who will suddenly come into His temple like lightning and like the former and latter rains...

Because His spiritual body resurrects on earth, like His physical body resurrected on earth..

[davidandme]

benny balerio, on Jul 10 2007, 03:14 PM, said:

In Revelation 1:1 we're told that God had revealed these details to Him. This must have happened sometime between His ascension and His appearance to John on the Isle of Patmos. How could this be?

I am having a bit of a problem understanding this text here. Did Jesus regain His full glory after He ascended to heaven? Is He the same now as He was before His first coming? Is He everpresent right now? Is He all knowing right now? I am a bit confused abot these issues. God bless.

[whirlwind]

benny balerio, on Jul 10 2007, 02:14 PM, said:

The Day And Hour
Ask a Bible Teacher ......From www.gracethrufaith.com

Q. Jesus IS God. How could He not know what day or hour His return is? (the rapture) Thank you!



A. In Matt. 24:36 Jesus said the following. "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." The day and hour He spoke of is His 2nd Coming, not the Rapture. We know this because the phrase "that day" refers back to verse 30 when all the nations will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds with power and great glory.



By the way, notice that technically He didn't say that no one would know the day or hour, but that no one would know "about" it. The general time of His return will be known to believers on Earth at the time.

The King James shows that scripture as .....But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only.


"About" wasn't in the text...it is placed there by man.

[whirlwind]

NIGHTMARE, on Jul 9 2008, 05:55 PM, said:

When Christ returns it is not a done deal yet.....Satan will be locked up for the day of teaching(Lords day)
then satan will be released and many will still follow him after Christ has shown them he is a fake(idiots)

They are "idiots." To see Christ, be taught for 1000 years and still....follow Satan is unbelievable to me and yet when Satan is released that one last time then he......


Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the NUMBER OF WHOM IS AS THE SAND OF THE SEA.


What happens to them? And fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. [20:9]

[Patmos]

I think what Benny is saying is when Christ on earth He was fully man and although fully God have given away certain perogatives in order to defeat satan.

Those perogatives were anything that men were unable to do.

Being sinless as a man, He had perfect communication with the Father and the Fathers will. The communication was seamless but the Father only told Him that which would not violate the success of His mission.

All the real prophets could potentially do the miracles that Jesus did through faith, obedience, prayer and communication. We see that Peter even walked on water. Because it is the Holy Spirit that performs the miracles. However they must be in accord with God's will.

Moses is great example. The miracles that Moses performed were not Moses' will but rather God's will. God told Moses, you will...........and then Moses, as is typical of man, would say, why me? Isn't there someone better for this job. You got the wrong guy etc....

But as Moses life progressed, he became more and more obediant and just did what God told him to do....most of the time. We see Moses made a big error at the end by striking the rock twice and then did not get to enter into the land of promise. Nonetheless, Moses was saved as evidenced by his presence on the Mt of Transfiguration.

Anyway, Moses, Elijah and Elisha are noted as having the most visible manifestations of the moving of the Holy Spirit in their lives via miracles.

When Jesus did any miracle, He would always ask His Father first. The communication was typically instantaneous and so was the answer. Thus most men would think that He knew the answer without asking....and being filled with the Holy Spirit, He did not have to think on anything too long.

There is nothing in the world that is difficult for God to accomplish...thus the miracles were only signs of Jesus Divinity and perfect harmony with God the Father. At times, the Holy Spirit would even prompt the miracle via another person, Jesus not even being aware that it was His Father's will. We see this at Cana when Mary asked Jesus to supply some more wine.

At first Jesus said it wasn't yet His time, but upon consulting with His Father, He decided it was time to do the first miracle, because if it wasn't time, it would not have happened.

Thus, in sum, what it is saying is Jesus just walked in faith...He Himself could not do anything without His Father. His Father performed the miracles and Jesus through faith, patience, obedience etc was able to do all that was needed.

This is why satan tempted Jesus. He knew if he could mess up the lines of communication, he might be able to get Jesus to sin. But the Divine essense and sinless nature of Jesus allowed Him to perserve in spite of his being fully man and having to grow in grace over time.

This is why the Scriptures indicate that Jesus was the last Adam. He was just like Adam was created. When Adam was sinless, He actually had the same potential as Jesus to perform miraculous feats. He walked and talked with God therefore, God could tell Adam to do such and such and Adam could do it.

That is why it was such a feat by satan to put the first man into the bondage of sin. satan claimed that if he would eat from the tree he would be like God knowing good and evil.

Now that part was true...the knowing evil part. Only God knew of it, because God knew satan. But in terms of being like God in His attributes, Adam was as close as he was ever gonna get at the time of Creation. He was sinless!

So it was a clever juxtapostion of words that got things going the wrong way.

Anyway, Jesus Christ was the last Adam.....meaning like Adam was when he was first created....sinless and in full communication with God....

And that does not mean that he was always talking to God. It means that when God spoke, he always perfectly understood it. That is why Adam is held responsible for the fall of man; because he understood the commandment regarding the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

So we, being sinful, go though life trying to get our communication with God back to a favorable status through Jesus Christ our Lord. Although, we will probably never achieve the same status that Jesus had due to our sins, in terms of communication, He tells us the blood of His sacrifice keeps cleansing....past present and future...so if we keep saying simple prayers of God forgive me...and oh I did that again...etc...it will keep cleansing and as quickly as the commuication is dampened, it can be reunited....

It's not our sin nature that keeps us from communicating, but rather our willingness to admit on an on going basis, our sins....

Anyway, I digress...............

Patmos