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Posted 21 June 2005 - 08:16 PM

These two sites blew my mind concerning the Zionists (who claim to be Jews)
and the True Jews. The things written there (by some of the orthodox Jewish Rabbi's themselves) are very different from what most of us have come to believe about the Jews and Israel.

Take a minute to read when you can. Most likely, it will blow your mind also and make you think, "What is really going on concerning Israel and the Palestinians?"

http://www.jewsagain...aliebermann.cfm

http://www.jewsagain...ism/notjews.cfm


Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

God bless our Jewish brothers!

~Ish
"Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend."
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Posted 22 June 2005 - 01:16 AM

Please see the True Torah Jews "Statement of Principles" that was printed in the New York Times - Sept 30, 1982.

http://www.jewsagain...times093082.cfm

Also see the statement issued by 77 respected Rabbi's of the USA and Canada:
"Call from Central Rabbinical Congress of the United States and Canada"

http://www.jewsagain...callfromcrc.pdf

PRAY, PRAY, PRAY FOR THE TRUE JEWS!!!
We here in the U.S. have been fed so much propaganda and lies concerning Israel!
I am totally overwhelmed as I see more and more, that not all who say they are Jews are truely Jews. What is going on over there right now is not between the True Jews and the Palestinians. The Palestinians have been used by the Zionists (the fake Jews) as a "smokescreen" for their political elitist agenda. They are going to bring in the AC and the One World Order!!!! Believe it! And PRAY for those there (living amongst the imposters) who are desperately looking for their Messiah - even our Lord JESUS CHRIST!

God Bless them.

~Ish

PS Sister Miki, right now I don't find it hard to go to prayer and cry over what's happening. Especially since I am seeing how I myself have even added to the pain of God's chosen ones. I have believed so much of the propaganda for so long now... God forgive me
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Posted 22 June 2005 - 02:39 AM

Please forgive me for "hogging" this thread, but I am compelled to do so for the benefit of our Jewish brothers and sisters, right now...

THE MILLIONS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED
By I. Domb

Many books have been published, read and forgotten. There is one book, however, which dare not be allowed to share this fate. This is the chronicles of Rabbi Michael Ber Weissmandl, ztl, of the war years, 1942 to 1945, so aptly named "Min Hametzar" (From the Depths). published in New York in 1961 in Hebrew. Not enough individuals have read this book. The ghastly facts uncovered in it are not sufficiently well known.

Who can imagine the Hitlerite holocaust? Where is the language to describe it? All the known words of human speech have already been used for conventional occurrences; they have acquired everyday meanings and have been fashioned with an inability to describe the horrors of an Auschwitz or a Treblinka. What can be said to make individuals understand the wild cries of the night, when our brothers and sisters were led to the slaughterhouses? And in what way can one convey the conversion of precious Jews to the status of animals preparatory to being slaughtered?

Skyscraping walls prevented their cries being heard, and in that horrible man-made silence, the most valuable portion of the Jewish people was compressed in the confines of the ghettos in hunger and in thirst, in epidemics and in torture, crying bitterly, only to themselves, until the end of their anguish; when they were loaded into the sealed anguish; when they were loaded in the sealed cattle-wagons for the week-long journeys, when their corpses and the still have-living reached the slaughterhouses and gas chambers. Where can existing words be found to fit this story, and who is there to coin new phrases with meaning enough to tell this tale?

Yet all this was done through a directive from an innocent-looking office, where the S.S. murderers, with the methods of modern civilization gave the orders which, by chain reaction, set in motion all the machinery of death and destruction to which a stop could not be envisaged. One stroke of the pen to extinguish a hundred thousand lives. A few words enough for a million. And these few officers set the wheels turning in Auschwitz, in Treblinka; the Einsatzkomandos; the deep pits on the lonely plains of Europe overflowing with human blood. So much power behind it, such a military might enforcing it that only the winning of the World War could interfere with this running horror.

But how astonished was Rabbi Weissmandl to discover that these strokes of the pen could so easily have been erased, that the Jewish tragedy could to a considerable extent, have been alleviated by some simple "old fashioned" methods. How many hundreds of thousands of Jewish lives could have been saved -- perhaps even millions.

Wisliceny was the German henchman for the Jews of Slovakia, Eichmann's representative in that area for establishing the ghettos, destroying their livelihood and finally dispatching to slaughter the hundreds of thousands of Jews in Slovakia and the neighboring countries. He carried out this mission as directed by Eichman and as his own cravings commanded. His was the first country in Europe to be designated for the supply of Jews to the slaughter houses, as it was Slovakia that was first occupied by Hitler--even earlier than Poland. The puppet government of Cardinal Tissu had asked Hitler to "cleanse" its country of Jews. Officially it even paid Germany for transportation, and Wisliceny was the ultimate ruler and organizer. He was nearly always drunk; drunk from spirits and intoxicated with blood -- and seemingly unassailable.

Rabbi Michael Ber Weissmandl, at the end of 1943, when two thirds of the Jews of Slovakia had already been transported for "work" to that far destination, got to know through a certain Hochberg -- an S.S. intriguer, and second in command to Wisliceny, that his chief was also lustful for money and that already on more than one occasion, money had bought relief for some individuals, postponing their deportation. Overwhelmed with joy at this discovery, he consulted his father-in-law, the great and renowned rabbi of Nitra, ztl, who agreed that if this old-fashioned method was effective, there was no reason why it would not be attempted on behalf of the great masses to be saved.

Rabbi Weissmandl writes of this same Hochberg, "I was first there on Friday in the summer of 1942 -- Tammuz, 5702. I was standing in the corridor near to the office of Hochberg and all of the waiting rooms around were crowded with those who had come to Hochberg to beg a postponement of that ultimate journey for "work in the east," as many still believed. I heard the voice of Hochberg speaking on the phone to his chief, Wisliceny saying, 'Her Hauptstumbandfuehrer, ich melde ghorehsamst, the train has left: Man 727, Women 637, Children 1667: altogether 3,028 Jawohl!' Never will this total leave my memory; 1600 children! No outcry and no tears. No one cares. The whole world is silent. Jawohl, Herr Hauptsturmbanfuehrer.

One of the famous men of Pressberg, Reb Aharon Gruenhut, finally succeeded in gaining confidence by Hochberg in Rabbi Weissmandl, for whom a secret appointment was arranged. On this occasion, the rabbi presented himself as one who had connections with rabbinical circles throughout the world. He showed Hochberg his passport that contained a British visa issued just before the outbreak of war, and told him of his visit to London and of conferences there to impress him with his high standing. He then made it clear that he had come on a secret mission of the highest importance as a representative of Jewry abroad, who had contacted him through the American "Joint" in Switzerland. Their message was that they were prepared to pay in cash for the stopping of all further transports of Jews from Slovakia to the east. The "Joint" was ready to pay the price that his chief, Wisliceny, would name. Rabbi Weissmandl emphasized that neither Hochberg nor Wisliceny should believe that his mission was directed by local Jews.

During this conversation with Hochberg in 1943, when the scales of war were already a little out of balance for Hitler's Germany after the heavy defeats in the east and the support of the allies by American might, Rabbi Weissmandl was able, with American might, Rabbi Weissmandl was able , with careful tact, to introduce doubts into Hochberg's mind about German world conquest, and more specifically about Hochberg's own position after the war. He conveyed to him that it would be very much to his and his chief's advantage to make some provisions for their own safety. In this respect, he was now authorized to offer the promise of World Jewry that if they would stop all further transports, he and Wisliceny would be save.

Hochberg became enraged at such suggestions, but as the conversation progressed, he became much softer and began to listen carefully to what was proposed. He listened and replied, "I must go to see Wisliceny."

He left immediately and Rabbi Weissmandl waited. Every minute seemed like an hour; every hour seemed endless. He sat there exhausted, awaiting the reply fateful for the remaining Jews of Slovakia, with so many hanging in the balance.

He had set there for many hours, when suddenly the door burst open and Hochberg hurried into the room. Speaking rapidly and with great excitement, he said, "the deal is done. My chief asked for $50,000 and no further transports will be sent; but he lays down the following terms: Wisliceny will show his goodwill: three transports -- next Tuesday, next Friday, the following Tuesday -- each of about 3000 souls, will be held up, but on Friday after that, the first Installment of $25,000 must be handed over. After that, there will be no further transports for seven weeks, to enable the second installment of $25,000 to be obtained and paid, after which there will be a final stopping of all transports. There is one further condition. You must be able to show that the money comes from abroad and not from Slovakian Jews themselves."

The latter was an important point to this S.S. henchman, as a guarantee that it was world Jewry who was behind the deal, and who would finally keep its promise for his safety. In any case, Rabbi Weissmandl did not then think that Slovakian Jews could possibly find such a sum, as by that time they had been stripped of all their possessions. On that other hand, he did not imagine for one moment that the wealthy "Joint" would not provide such a relatively small sum to save literally tens of thousands of lives from total annihilation in the German slaughterhouses.

Rabbi Weissmandl left Hochberg's office with hope and joy. He hurried home to Nitra to inform his father-in-law and to set about getting the deal consummated. The Rabbi of Nitra, in spite of his happiness at the possibility of saving so many lives, expressed some reservation. He felt that from a distance the "Joint" would not see their tragedy, and that the Zionist leaders working together with the "Joint" had a different calculation. But he suggested, representatives from beyond the "Kanzelel" -- the Council of Orthodox Jewish Communities -- should be drawn into this, and even the Zionists and non-Orthodox groups taken into partnership.

The name of Mrs. Gisi Fleischman came to the forefront, as she was of Zionist circles and also the pre-war representative of the "Joint" in Slovakia. Besides her prominence, she was a good-hearted and courageous women and her word would carry weight with the "Joint". It was also decidedly to call on Mr. Fuerst -- known for both his integrity and financial ability.

Among the weapons with which the Zionists have equipped themselves to pierce the walls of resistance to their influence, there is one most predominant. This is "ahavas Yisroel" -- love of the fellow Jew. This slogan and catch-phrase carries extra weight with the religious Jew to whom this concept has a special attraction. The Zionists have explained that their aim is achieving statehood is to provide a refuge and shelter for much tormented Jewry.

The long, bloody paths of our, till now, 2000 year long exile, with its inquisitions, persecutions, pogroms, slaughter and torture, has always been at the front of every Jews mind. Seldom was there a place on this earth inhabited by Jews, or a stretch of time, without blood and tears at the hands of our many persecutors of all nations. It was these pogroms that provided, for the short-sighted, the initial conditioning to seek a solution in the outward idea of Zionist achievements.

Possibly the Zionists, themselves, at the first steps of inception, were honestly taken by the idea of that solution; and it was this kernel of compassion that gave to them the power to influence others with this superficial consideration. Zionism has built on the basis that the solution of nationhood applicable to any other nation is in the same way also applicable to Jewry, as they could see no difference between the nations of the world and the Jewish people. As they see it, Jews regulate their fate by the same ways and means as all other peoples. The belief in exile by Heavenly Decree as a punishment for our sins, and the belief in Heavenly Redemption by the Will of the Creator was, to Zionism, non-existent. People's thoughts were not directed to the fundamental, all-embracing heresy upon which Zionism was established, but grasped only the attractive promises that were offered because unfortunately, Zionism arrived in the most feeble and small of all generation, coupled with distressing happenings, which contributed to the closing of people's minds to the truth and to their being led astray by the Zionist Idea.

How much were Rabbi Weissmandl and his colleagues overcome with joy when they succeeded in getting the right people together! How great was their hope! But how much were they overwhelmed by sorrow when they tried to get things in motion, and how great was their frustration when they learned that the Zionists, together with the "Joint", stopped every outside help from reaching them. This was not only when it was a question of saving the remnants of the Jews of Slovakia -- about 40,000 souls -- but also when the possibility of saving what was still left of the Jews of Poland and Hungary was in question; a matter then of millions of souls. Then, too, the Zionists deliberately prevented any help from being extended under various excuses that even a child could see through. This was their policy -- stupid and merciless -- but they perused it relentlessly. In the end, they admitted openly that their policy was not to help fellow Jews, but to let them perish in the tens of thousands and in their millions.

This is forever unforgettable and unforgivable. Zionist "ahavas Yisroel" must be displayed conspicuously and beyond any doubt.

The Friday when the first installment of $25,000 had to be paid was fast approaching and there was not yet a way how this money could be found for Wisliceny. Mrs. Flesichman was also the representative of the World Jewish Congress and well known to the Jewish Agency. She was, therefore, considered to be the most suitable person to make contact with these organizations. Her words would be listed to....

The pressure became even greater when it was seen the S.S. oligarchy was in earnest. The first transport has been stopped. But how can contact be made with Zurich, with New York and with Jerusalem, the seat of the Jewish Agency, which influenced and coordinated the work of these other two bodies? Slovakia was then a small country sealed off by the German occupation of the surrounding territory. There was no common border with any free country, so how could any message be conveyed to the outside world?

Shloime Stern was instrumental in finding a temporary solution. He obtained a diplomatic courier, who was prepared to take all the important messages to the "Joint" in Zurich. He was also able to borrow money, temporarily, from various sources in Slovakia, putting together the equivalent of the enormous sounding sum of $25,000. The money obtained was changed on the back market for dollars and handed over to Hochberg for Wisliceny. Hochberg accepted it and came back with the message that there would be no further transports for seven weeks, which time was set for the completion of the deal.

They were all convinced that once the diplomatic courier would get their message to the "Joint" and the Jewish Agency, not $50,000 but ten times $50,000 would at once be put at their disposal for this and similar "deals." Surely Jews the world over would dance for joy upon hearing that at last the door was open in the inner circles of the S.S. and a way found to rescue their fellow Jews.

Mrs. Fleischman sat down to write the memorandum to Salli Mayer, the "Joint" representative in Switzerland. She was careful in her every word, explaining the situation of hope that had been ignited. The "Joint" should hasten its help at this last moment and miss the life-saving opportunity that had been so dramatically forced. The memorandum was sent to the "Joint", to the Jewish Agency and to a personal friend of hers, Mr. N. Schwalbe in Zurich. And then they sat down to wait.

Days went by, swallowed by weeks, and of the seven not many were left. The time for the final settlement was fast approaching and a great sum of money was needed. Many people had managed to escape from the hell of Poland to Slovakia on their way to Hungary and Romania, which were not yet being so intensely processed by the Hitler hordes. They were not a thousandth of a percent of those who were so brutally done to death, but still a number to be supported and a problem of Slovakian Jewry. Money was needed to bribe the Slovakian genarmerie and police to stop their pressure for the deportations to continue. Money was needed for the labor camps in Sered, Novaki and Wiener in Slovakia.

The Slovakian anti-Semitic government had built these camps for a slave labor before deportation began, and it was put to those Jews still left there that if they, themselves, would build up and increase the capacity of those labor camps, they would absorb more and so relieve the pressure for "deportations." and above all, the money was needed to refund the temporary loans from so many sources that had gone towards the first payment to Wisliceny and to provide the second $25,000 that would finally seal this blood transaction.

All this money was a matter of life or death for the tens of thousands of Jews in Slovakia and, in the end, for millions still alive throughout Europe. Who could provide and who should provide, if not the "Joint" and the Jewish Agency, who held possession of the vast sums of money given by Jews the world over for the help of their brethren in need? Was there anywhere at all any need that was greater?

The diplomatic courier left for Zurich, holding in his hands the lamentations of the strangling remnants of Jewry; in his hands, their appeal from death.

This courier had to spend some days in Zurich before his return. He was awaited with mounting anxiety, for with his advent were tied up all the hopes of the masses under sentence.

And he returned. But not even a letter was sent with him by those "help organizations" only a verbal message that they had no time to write, and of help there was no mention at all.

Rabbi Weissmandl writes that on hearing this message, they 'felt as though the house had collapsed on them'. It was only Mrs. Fleischman who started to explain matters after this great shock. She said that "uncle" Salli Mayer was a very cautious man and it was necessary to write again. It was also necessary to write to Mr. Silbersten, the Jewish Congress representative. "And who knows, maybe they are doing something great," she added. Maybe for such a big undertaking they had to refer to New York and Jerusalem -- who knows?

Rabbi Weissmandl, himself, followed up with letters to the Agency and the "Joint" in the name of the Rabbis left in Slovakia -- letters of tears and of pleading -- but still there was no reply. Meanwhile, the seven weeks had passed and they had to send to Hochberg, asking him to explain to Wisliceny that the messenger that was to bring the money from Switzerland had met with an accident and was delayed in a hospital there. He would be bringing the money in three or four weeks time. Wisliceny agreed to wait.

In the end, a letter did come from the "Joint"; a letter written by Salli Mayer, which said that $50,000 was a lot of money for such a small country, and that in the previous year's budget of the "joint", only a few thousand dollars had been allocated for them. The "Joint" had to be run according to their system. The explanation given in the memorandum why they now need all this money and the documentary evidence as to what was happening in Poland, to which country the "deportations" took place, were exaggerated stories. This was the way of Eastern European Jewry, who were always asking for money. In general, he added, it was impossible to send anything at all just then, as the money was coming from America, which had prohibited the sending of funds to enemy countries. What was possible to do was to render some small help, monthly, if the "Joint" in Hungary would agree to do this out of the blocked account that been held since the outbreak of the war.

Rabbi Weissmandl and his colleagues read the letter, but they could not believe it had been written by fellow Jews. Their hearts stopped beating when its contents became clear to them. But this was not the end. There was a further letter. It fully explained the first. But it was more deadly and more devastating. It disclosed the bottomless abyss to which born- Jews can sink -- the responsibility of Zionism.

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Go here to view video clip from the documentary, "Among Blind Fools," on Rabbi Weissmandl and his efforts to save thousands of Jews from the holocaust.

http://www.jewsagain...smandlvideo.cfm
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Posted 22 June 2005 - 03:11 AM

WORDS OF THE RABBIS
Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L Dean of Nitra Yeshiva

TEN QUESTIONS TO THE ZIONISTS

1. IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that:


a ) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and

b ) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and

c ) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.

2. IS IT TRUE that the Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.

3. IS IT TRUE that the answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments:


a ) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees.

b ) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war.

c ) No ransom will be paid

4. IS IT TRUE that this response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.

5. IS IT TRUE that in 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved.

6. IS IT TRUE that the same Zionist hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions).

7. IS IT TRUE that during the height of the killings in the war, 270 Members of the British Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany.

8. IS IT TRUE that this offer was rejected by the Zionist leaders with the observation "Only to Palestine!"

9. IS IT TRUE that the British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The "Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed.

10. IS IT TRUE that during the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weitzman, the first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important". Weitzman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe".

There are additional similar questions to be asked of these atheist degenerates known as "Jewish statesmen", but for the time being let them respond to the ten questions.

These Zionist "statesmen" with their great foresight, sought to bring an end two two-thousand years of Divinely ordained Jewish subservience and political tractability. With their offensive militancy, they fanned the fires of anti-Semitism in Europe, and succeeded in forging a bond of Jew-hatred between Nazi-Germany and the surrounding countries.

These are the "statesmen" who organized the irresponsible boycott against Germany in 1933. This boycott hurt Germany like a fly attacking an elephant - but it brought calamity upon the Jews of Europe. At a time when America and England were at peace with the mad-dog Hitler, the Zionist "statesmen" forsook the only plausible method of political amenability; and with their boycott incensed the leader of Germany to a frenzy. And then, after the bitterest episode in Jewish history, these Zionist "statesmen" lured the broken refugees in the DP camps to remain in hunger and deprivation, and to refuse relocation to any place but Palestine; only for the purpose of building their State.

The Zionist "statesmen" have incited and continue to incite an embittered Jewish youth to futile wars against world powers like England, and against masses of hundreds of millions of Arabs.

AND THESE SAME ZIONIST "STATESMEN" HEEDLESSLY PUSH THE WORLD TO THE BRINK OF ANOTHER TOTAL WAR - REVOLVING ENTIRELY AROUND THE HOLY LAND.

What may befall the Jewish inhabitants of Palestine, of the Arab crescent, Europe, or the USA; is of no concern to these Zionist leaders. The rising anti-Semitism in the Western World is the product of their "statesmanship".

Under the guise of "love of Israel", the Zionist "statesmen" seduced many Jews to replace devotion to the Torah and its Sages with devotion to the scoundrel who founded Zionism. It is of no little significance that Herzl originally sought conversion of the Jews as a solution to the problems of the Diaspora. When he realized that this was not acceptable to the Jewish masses, he contrived Zionism as a satisfactory alternative!

A look into history reveals that this very same type of "statesmen" opposed the call of Jeremiah the prophet to yield to the minions of Nebuchadnezzar at the destruction of the first Temple. Five centuries later, Rabbi Yochonon Ben Zakai appealed to the people to surrender to Titus the Roman to avoid bloodshed. The "statesmen" rejected this appeal, and the second Temple was destroyed by the Romans. --- And now for the past fifty years, the Zionist "statesmen" rebuff the leadership of our Sages; and continue in their policy of fomenting anti-Semitism. When will they stop?? Must every Jew in America also suffer?? - Even the Nazi monsters had more sense, and gave up their war before all Germany was destroyed. The Zionist "statesmen" ridicule the sacred oath which the Creator placed upon the Jews in the Diaspora. Our Torah, in Tractate Ksubos, folio 111, specifies that the Creator, blessed be He, swore the Jews not to occupy the Holy Land by force, even if it appears that they have the force to do so; and not rebel against the Nations. And the Creator warned that if His oath be desecrated, Jewish flesh would be "open property", like the animals in the forest!! These are words of our Torah; and these concepts have been cited in Maimonides' "Igeres Teimon", "Be'er HaGola", "Ahavas Yehonosson", and in "Toras Moshe" of the Chasam Sofer.

IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT ALL THE SAGES AND SAINTS IN EUROPE AT THE TIME OF HITLER'S RISE DECLARED THAT HE WAS A MESSENGER OF DIVINE WRATH, SENT TO CHASTEN THE JEWS BECAUSE OF THE BITTER APOSTASY OF ZIONISM AGAINST THE BELIEF IN THE EVENTUAL MESSIANIC REDEMPTION.

Yidden - merciful sons of merciful fathers - how much longer must holy Jewish blood continue to be shed??

The only solution is:

The Jewish people must reject, outright, a "Jewish State".

The Jewish people should accept the US compromise.

We must depose the atheist-Zionist "statesmen" from their role as Jewish leaders, and return to the faithful leadership of our sages.

We beseech the Nations to open all doors to immigration - not only the doors of Palestine.

Peaceful, non-Zionist religious personalities in Palestine, (particularly from the native population) and their counterparts in the Diaspora, should engage in responsible, face-to face negotiations on behalf of the Jewish people, with the British and the Arabs; with an aim of amicable settlement of the Palestine issue.

Every Jew is obliged to pray to the Blessed creator, for in Him lies all our strength. Let us bear in mind that our prayers be forthright. One should not entreat the Creator to provide a banquet on Yom Kippur, and one can not perform a ritual ablution with a dead bug in his hand. Similarly, we should avoid the untenable position of the robber who prays for Divine help in carrying out his crime. We should pray that Zionism and its fruits vanish from the Earth, and that we be redeemed by the Messiah with dispatch.

A prisoner is released only when he has served his time, or if he is pardoned by the President for good behavior. If he attempts escape and is apprehended, his term is lengthened, besides the beating he receives when he is caught.

Faithful Jews- for over three and one-half thousand years, in all parts of the world, through all trials, our grandfathers and grandmothers marched through seas of blood and tears in order to keep the Faith of the Torah unswervingly. If we have compassion for ourselves, for our women and children, and for the Jewish people, we will maintain our golden legacy today. We have been sentenced to exile by the King of Kings because of our sins. The eternal blessed be He, has decreed that we accept the exile with humble gratitude until the time comes, or until we merit His pardon through repentance. If we seek to end the exile with force, G-d will catch us, as our sages have forewarned, and our sentence becomes longer and more difficult.

Many times in the past have segments of our people been defrauded by false messiahs - but none of the false messiahs has been as fallacious and delusory as the lie of Zionism. With our historical experience as our guide, no retribution has been or will be greater than the retribution for giving credence to Zionism. If we wish our exile-sentence commuted, we must appeal through repentance; and through total physical and spiritual observance of the Sabbath, laws of family purity, and study of Torah.

Let it be clearly understood that never in Jewish history (even in the time of Jeroboam or Achav) have such hostile atheists stood at the helm of the Jewish people as today.

How can we plead to the Almighty for mercy while we tolerate these vile, "wicked" leaders as spokesmen! Beloved brothers - let us cleanse our ranks and cleanse our midst; let us entreat the Almighty through prayer, repentance, and fulfillment of mitzvos that He alone redeem us, immediately.


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Now have we, here in America, been captivated by Zionist propaganda or not???? WHAT IN THE WORLD IS REALLY GOING ON???

~Ish

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Posted 22 June 2005 - 06:32 AM

ishtob, on Jun 22 2005, 03:11 AM, said:

WORDS OF THE RABBIS
Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L Dean of Nitra Yeshiva

Every Jew is obliged to pray to the Blessed creator, for in Him lies all our strength. Let us bear in mind that our prayers be forthright. One should not entreat the Creator to provide a banquet on Yom Kippur, and one can not perform a ritual ablution with a dead bug in his hand. Similarly, we should avoid the untenable position of the robber who prays for Divine help in carrying out his crime. We should pray that Zionism and its fruits vanish from the Earth, and that we be redeemed by the Messiah with dispatch.

A prisoner is released only when he has served his time, or if he is pardoned by the President for good behavior. If he attempts escape and is apprehended, his term is lengthened, besides the beating he receives when he is caught.

Faithful Jews- for over three and one-half thousand years, in all parts of the world, through all trials, our grandfathers and grandmothers marched through seas of blood and tears in order to keep the Faith of the Torah unswervingly. If we have compassion for ourselves, for our women and children, and for the Jewish people, we will maintain our golden legacy today. We have been sentenced to exile by the King of Kings because of our sins. The eternal blessed be He, has decreed that we accept the exile with humble gratitude until the time comes, or until we merit His pardon through repentance. If we seek to end the exile with force, G-d will catch us, as our sages have forewarned, and our sentence becomes longer and more difficult.

Many times in the past have segments of our people been defrauded by false messiahs - but none of the false messiahs has been as fallacious and delusory as the lie of Zionism. With our historical experience as our guide, no retribution has been or will be greater than the retribution for giving credence to Zionism. If we wish our exile-sentence commuted, we must appeal through repentance; and through total physical and spiritual observance of the Sabbath, laws of family purity, and study of Torah.

Let it be clearly understood that never in Jewish history (even in the time of Jeroboam or Achav) have such hostile atheists stood at the helm of the Jewish people as today.

How can we plead to the Almighty for mercy while we tolerate these vile, "wicked" leaders as spokesmen! Beloved brothers - let us cleanse our ranks and cleanse our midst; let us entreat the Almighty through prayer, repentance, and fulfillment of mitzvos that He alone redeem us, immediately.


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The last major Old Testament prophet to speak for God to the southern kingdom of Judah was Jeremiah. During the last forty years of the existence of that nation, he faithfully represented the living God to its people.

Chapter 7 of Jeremiah is the first formal sermon that he delivered in the gate of the temple in Jerusalem.

To capture the emotional impact of the event, imagine being at a meeting somewhere -- a class, a church service, a business meeting -- where an uninvited stranger arrives and interrupts the proceedings. Imagine him with a bullhorn as he begins to preach at everyone, and how uncomfortable it would make everyone feel.

This is what happens when Jeremiah arrives and begins to preach in the gate of the temple.

Now read Eugene Peterson's commentary on this section of Jeremiah:
(from his book, Run With the Horses, (Intervarsity Press, 1983, pp57-69).

We need to go back about fifty years to the reign of King Manasseh in Judah to understand some of the miraculous history that leads up to the preaching of this sermon. Manasseh was the worst king the nation ever had. He was a thoroughly evil man who presided over a totally corrupt government, and he reigned in Jerusalem for 55 years. That's a half-century of spiritual and moral darkness in the nation of Judah. Manasseh encouraged pagan worship. Entire communities in the country were involved in sexual orgies. There was cult prostitution at shrines erected to Baal and Asherah throughout the whole country. He imported wizards and sorcerers from the Far East. The people became enslaved to magic, to superstition, and to fear.

In 2 Kings 21 we're told that Manasseh even took his own infant son and placed him on an altar to the god Molech. In a terrible ritual, he burned him as an offering. The temple, built by King Solomon, was totally desecrated by Manasseh. That temple had been built to be empty of all forms of gods, so that the one true and invisible God could be worshipped in simplicity. Manasseh took the temple and filled it with idols, shapes of beasts, and monsters. Magicians and prostitutes, both male and female, were all over the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. What he had done was to deify lust and greed. Second Kings 21:9 tells us in summary: "Manasseh seduced them to do more evil than the nations had done whom the Lord destroyed before the people of Israel." Of all the pagan nations, his sin was greater.

The prophet Jeremiah was born in the last decade of Manasseh's rule. Jeremiah learned how to walk and talk and play as a little boy in this evil environment. It really was a slum society. After 55 years of misrule, true faith had come close to oblivion in the land of Judah. There were some godly families, including the family that Jeremiah was born into, a priestly one. Some of those families remembered the messages from prophets of God. They remembered what it was like to worship God wholeheartedly in the temple in true worship. They were like hidden pockets of refugees, faithful people who were almost exiles in their own nation. Manasseh died and his son Amon succeeded him, but things didn't change. The evil continued, however, the people finally couldn't take it anymore, and Amon was murdered. His eight-year-old son Josiah was placed on the throne in Jerusalem, and a miraculous spiritual turnaround began in this nation of Judah. Second Kings 22, verse 2, says of King Josiah, "He did what was right in the eyes of the Lord." From the very beginning as an eight-year-old boy, he had a deep, intuitive longing for God. His corrupt parents couldn't squash it out of him, nor could the evil environment that he was growing up in. God used the spiritual sensitivity of Josiah to bring new life to the nation.

When Josiah was 21 years old, in his thirteenth year of ruling, he began a campaign to root out all the pagan worship in Judah, and he personally traveled up and down the length of the country tearing down the Canaanite high places to Baal and Asherah. He destroyed the places of sacrifice to Molech. At the same time that Josiah began his reform in the land, Jeremiah, as a young man perhaps in his late teens or early twenties, began a nationwide prophetic ministry of teaching. Jeremiah preached up and down the land in the streets calling the people to repentance. His early preaching, in the first six chapters of Jeremiah, drew heavily on the writing and preaching of Isaiah, the prophet to the northern kingdom who had ministered some 150 years before. Just as Isaiah warned the people of the north that God's judgment was coming--exile was coming if they did not turn and surrender to the Lord--Jeremiah preached for five years in the streets at the same time that Josiah's reform was going on. Historians tell us that in the eighteenth year of Josiah's reign, five years later, he began to renovate and repair the temple itself in Jerusalem.

One of the first discoveries made by the high priest under Josiah, a godly man named Hilkiah, who may have very well been Jeremiah's father (we don't know that for sure), was the long-lost Torah, the first five books of the Old Testament. Not one single copy of them had existed for 250 years in the land of Judah. Josiah immediately had the entire Law read to him as the king. He responded immediately to it in obedience. He destroyed all the remnants of false worship in and around the temple. He sent priests up and down the land of Judah to publicly read aloud the Bible to the citizenry. He reestablished biblical worship in the temple. The Scriptures were read as part of the worship; sacrifices were reinstituted; Passover was reenacted. Jeremiah had a ringside seat for this whole reformation. People began streaming back to the temple, giving flourished, and the temple was remodeled. Reform was accomplished in the nation. Everything a king's commands could do was done. Conspicuous crime, superstitious religion, and immoral worship were arrested.

Jeremiah was struck by something as he watched all of this unfold. He knew that just getting rid of evil did not make people good. He saw that the reformation was really only skin deep. It seemed that everything had changed, but nothing really had. Outward changes were enormous; the inward changes were impossible to see. At this point in his life, God calls him from a ministry of informal street preaching to preach in the temple gate itself as the worshipers are thronging to the temple. Look at the first two verses of chapter 7, which are an introduction to his message: his call to preach and his invitation to listen. Verses 1-2:

The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord: "Stand in the gate of the Lord's house, and proclaim there this word, and say, 'Hear the word of the Lord, all you men of Judah who enter these gates to worship the Lord.'"

This is an important introduction because Jeremiah is an uninvited preacher, a stranger probably to some or most of the worshipers. The priests that were there probably knew who he was because he had grown up in a priestly family and his reputation was growing throughout the country. But he's facing, as he stands there that morning, a revival atmosphere of joy and celebration and enthusiasm--high emotion and excitement. These people can hardly wait to get to the temple. And then they're stopped by this unscheduled interruption.

Verse 2 says that there are three things that absolutely belong to God.

First of all the temple itself is God's house, the place designated for the pure worship of Yahweh. The people had renovated it and had provided their resources to clean it up and remodel it, but it was a holy place. Throughout this sermon, Jeremiah reminds the people repeatedly that they're in a place named for Yahweh, and HIS name determines HIS ownership of the place and everything that goes on inside of it.

The second thing that belongs to God is each word of the message. The sermon that's going to be preached is not just Jeremiah's opinions on worship and lifestyle. It's a direct word from God through Jeremiah to all the people of Judah who are entering the temple.

The third thing that Yahweh owns absolutely is every individual who is going inside that temple to worship. This is seen in the phrase at the end of verse 2, "all you who enter to worship the Lord."

The Hebrew word for "worship" is a powerful one. It describes the physical act of actually prostrating yourself on the floor before a sovereign, someone who has complete control over you. He's saying, "As you enter this place you are acknowledging God's complete and absolute sovereignty over every area of your life, and as far as you know, there are no areas of rebellion in your heart or of disobedience in your life." Verse 6 of Deuteronomy chapter 7 says: "For you are a people holy to the Lord your God; the Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for his own possession, out of all the peoples that are on the face of the earth." They were God's people. He owned them and was sovereign over them, and the requirements of his covenant love were in effect even as they entered his presence to worship.

As we come to the body of the sermon, we might expect some note of congratulations and some rejoicing in the impressive temple reform. You would think that Jeremiah would praise the people for cleaning up the place, getting rid of prostitutes and wizards, and making it safe to walk the streets without getting mugged or murdered. We don't hear anything like that. The message of the sermon is one of danger and warning. He even goes so far as to say that you worshipers are in danger of your very lives.

The first danger that he spells out is found in verses 3-11. It's the danger of a religious image without content, of style without any spiritual substance. Verses 3-11:

Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, Amend your ways and your doings, and I will let you dwell in this place. Do not trust in these deceptive words: 'This is the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord.' For if you truly amend your ways and your doings, if you truly execute justice one with another, if you do not oppress the alien, the fatherless or the widow, or shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not go after other gods to your own hurt, then I will let you dwell in this place, in the land that I gave of old to your fathers forever. Behold, you trust in deceptive words to no avail. Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, swear falsely, burn incense to Baal, and go after other gods that you have not known, and then come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, 'We are delivered!'--only to go on doing all these abominations? Has this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, I myself have seen it, says the Lord.

The problem here has to do with how the people perceive themselves versus how they really are. He says that their self-perception is based on "deceptive words." That phrase is there twice, in verse 4 and then again in verse 8. Literally, they are being deceived by "words of the lie." What was the lie they were believing? In verse 4, apparently it was the refrain of a current praise and worship song. The prophet says: "Do not trust in these deceptive words: 'This is the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord.'" I don't know what Jewish music sounded like in 700 B.C., but we can imagine these words to the tune of a praise song of today. They loved to sing it. It was beautiful and melodic.The lie had to do with their being in the right place at the right time but misunderstanding God's desire for them.

In verse 8, again he says, "You trust in deceptive words to no avail." The specific thing that they were affirming is in the middle of verse 10: "We are delivered." This was the content of the current temple theology that was being taught regularly by the priests to the people. The deception was the belief that this worship experience and place would provide safety, deliverance, and protection from God's judgment on individual sin and national sin. They believed that if they would just show up in the right place and go through the right motions, then they would be safe and protected. Jeremiah is irate. The people are in the right place. They are following the biblical patterns of worship, but they themselves are not right with God. He defines very specifically and piercingly the seriousness of their spiritual condition and he calls the people to account for their hypocrisy.

There are two distinct lists in this opening paragraph of the indictments against these people. In verses 5 and 6, he first raises some concerns about justice in their society. These people are either oblivious to these injustices, or they are actively participating in them. These are legal, relational, economical, and even racial injustices. He talks about the oppression of aliens, those in society of less legal advantage than those who have full citizenship. He speaks of the oppression of orphans and widows. In both of these conditions, they are people who are innocent victims, through no fault of their own, of the premature death of a father or a husband who would be a protector and a provider. These people are not to be exploited because of their disadvantage. He says that they are allowing the shedding of innocent blood in this place. That's speaking of the legal system--judicial murders being carried out against innocent people who don't have the resources to defend themselves. The judicial system was corrupt.

Jeremiah summarizes this whole list of attitudes and behavior at the end of verse 10. He calls them abominable. That had to be jarring to those people listening. Abominations! They had gotten comfortable with their sins. They'd rationalized their sins, but God, through Jeremiah, called them exactly what they were--abominable. They were gross and ugly and hideous. In Deuteronomy 7:10 Moses even said that this lifestyle is literally hatred towards God. The root cause of all this behavior is mentioned in two places. At the end of verse 6, it says, "If you do not go after other gods to your own hurt." Verse 9 continues, "You...burn incense to Baal, and go after other gods that you have not known." The problem was that the people had gotten Baal and Asherah out of the temple but not out of their hearts. They had rejected God's authority over their lives and obedience to his word. Again, the language of Deuteronomy 7:16 is striking: "Neither shall you serve their gods, for that would be a snare to you." He says that they are a community of people who are trapped in sins that they are not even aware of.


Jeremiah's accusation in verse 11:

"Has this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, I myself have seen it," says the Lord.

There's a second warning given in the sermon. Verses 12-15 of chapter 7:

Go now to my place that was in Shiloh, where I made my name dwell at first, and see what I did to it for the wickedness of my people Israel. And now, because you have done all these things, says the Lord, and when I spoke to you persistently you did not listen, and when I called you, you did not answer, therefore I will do to the house which is called by my name, and in which you trust, and to the place which I gave to you and to your fathers, as I did to Shiloh. And I will cast you out of my sight, as I cast out all your kinsmen, all the offspring of Ephraim.

Jeremiah continues to shock, confront, and provoke. He wants them to recognize this obvious but avoided truth, and he sends them on a field trip up to Shiloh. Shiloh is one of the most famous holy places in Hebrew history. It was only eighteen miles north of Jerusalem. It was the earliest focus of worship and tribal meeting in Israel. When Joshua brought the people into the land after their deliverance from Egypt, after forty years of wandering in the wilderness, Shiloh was where they first assembled to set up the tabernacle and to divide the land among the twelve tribes. The ark of the covenant was kept in Shiloh. The prophet Samuel, the first prophetic voice in the history of the nation, preached and counseled there. Shiloh was a magnificent place. It had a great beginning and a wonderful image. But if you read 1 Samuel 4-6, it tells the story of the fall of Shiloh. The people had begun to look on the ark as a protective charm. They forgot what it meant in terms of God's presence and power and requirements on their lives. They took it into battle against the Philistines. The ark was captured, and the army was totally wiped out. The Philistines came to Shiloh and destroyed the tabernacle. Then they razed the city to the ground making it a pile of rubble. As Jeremiah is preaching this sermon, Shiloh is just a few piles of rocks in a field of weeds. Every traveler in that land who went up and down the main road to Jerusalem to the Galilee in the north could see it as a reminder.

Shiloh had been the right place. The right words had been spoken there, but when the right experience no longer launched a consistent walk of loving obedience to God, it ended up promoting a lifestyle of "wickedness," as the text describes in verse 12. The message was that if it happened to Shiloh, then it can happen to Jerusalem.

The first ray of light that you can see is in verse 13. God says that when he spoke to them persistently, they didn't listen. That speaks of God's character. God never stopped "calling," telling Judah how he loved her, and for forty years, Jeremiah kept calling the nation back to a God of love who had entered into a covenant marriage with them. It says that God was persistent. That word is used eleven times in the book of Jeremiah to describe the faithfulness of God.

The second image of hope is in verse 3: "Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, Amend your ways and your doings, and I will let you dwell in this place." And again we see it in verses 5-7: "For if you truly amend your ways and your doings... then I will let you dwell in this place, in the land that I gave of old to your fathers forever."

"Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend."
~Pro 27:17

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Posted 22 June 2005 - 07:25 AM

This is an interesting string. I know you're anxious ish. I don't have time to read it all but will eventually.

I'm hoping we all understand there are two kinds of Jews. Two kinds of Christians and one kind of Gentile... :)

And as far as 'hard to go to prayer and cry' over this issue....There are only tears. What else can be said. I told the Lord l'm tired of crying but the Lord said "Miki l can't harden your heart."

Don't you get tired?

I wonder about those for post rapture.... Then l get hit with running with horses...

Some people round the world feel like they are already in the tribulation...
Then you want to tell them something even worse is coming. No wonder they tune out!

And the Jew...What do they feel. Are they tuned out? I believe many ordinary Jewish people are. They feel hopelessly punished and rejected by the world and God. That's the emotional angle. It motivates people more then history and theology. They run from facing God because they don't know what else to say.

I can't wait for Jesus to rescue and the Lord to reveal himself to them. To stand up for them and renew their hope.

I don't want to look at the evil manipulitive power brokers because l can't do anything about them.

I just want to see hope restored.

It's like a deep wound and a mystery. l'm tired of crying. It isn't just the Jew either...It's lots of things. No---I don't want post trib.
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.
John 10: 27-30

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