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I am convinced that when people look at the huge body of work that Richard has assembled they are amazed and think Wow. There is SO much material it must be true. WHY? Why are people so easily led astray by masses of confusing symbols, graphs and charts. They can't understand half of it, but somehow the very fact that they don't understand confirms in their mind that it must be true because clever, intelligent men who are far cleverer and more educated than themselves have come up with it.
We should not be so easily deceived. Is the gospel only for clever and educated? Have the simple and uneducated no defence?
We should not be dazzled by clever looking men with charts, squiggly letters, an air of scholarism. Take scientists for example. They will write enormous documents about the development of an amoeba or something like that. They will show with their formulas, statistics and charts that the amoeba evolved in a puddle of scum. Of course not 1 in a million will understand what's been written. Perhaps even the scientist himself understands it. But nevertheless the vast majority of readers will assume that everything they read is true. This is a description of the almost complete gullibility of readers of complex mountainous works which are accompanied with charts and squiggly symbols.
Another example of the gullible believing what they don't understand is people who followed the soothsayers of ancient times.
The soothsayers of old boasted that they could see patterns in the entrails of geese, swirling tea leaves and in the flights of the birds. They were the "experts" with thousands of hours of research into such things so that they could know from these things what the will of the gods was. They preyed on the gullible selling readings for food and money.
Today we are no different, just a little more sophisticated. Instead of looking for patterns in the flights of the birds we look for patterns in the Bible and we laud those who master these patterns as "experts". The augerers of old had extraordinary detailed knowledge of the birds. They could tell by throwing pulse to chooks and by examining their behaviour what the will of the gods was. Occasionally they got lucky and their prognostications worked out by chance and happy coincidence. So everybody Oohh and Aaahhed about the incredible wisdom, knowledge and experience of the augerer. He then got a job in a rich household as the personal soothsayer of the rich man. Part of their skill was coming up with plausible excuses why their prognostications did not work out. The people believed because they were dazzled by the astonishing complex knowledge that the augerers had about the birds and their patterns and movements. The other reason they believed was because of the immense peer pressure. The majority of people believed the augerers. Thousands and millions of people believed. How could all those people be wrong? The key however is that the people accommodated the soothsayers errors and failings because he was telling them what they wanted to hear. That God supports them, god agrees with them.
In the case of the biblewheel it tells us what we want to hear. Yes of course God approves the protestant reformation and the culling of books out of the bible. Of course God exalts scripture above the sacred traditions of the church. Of course God has divinely inspired every last detail of the scriptures even down to the chapter and verse breaks. Of course God has divinely inspired the guru with advanced revelation that he gave to no other Christian prior. So therefore donate to Paypal, buy the ebook, request the guru's all expenses paid attendance at our church service.
What a sham. What a disgrace in the house of the Lord. How can any of us be a party to this fraudulent exploitation of the gospel?
I have shown that just because there is a pattern it does not mean that God speaks. I have shown that voluminous works with complex charts and squiggly writing are works of men which cannot be trusted. I have shown that gullible people believe ridiculous things that they don't understand because they WANT to believe it and because of the peer pressure of people around them.
Wise up people of God and learn about these devices that the enemy uses to draw people away from the true faith. Now that you understand the power of deception you are now equipped to deflect his wicked darts. Return again to the pure words of scripture, plainly spoken. Return again to the plain teachings of the church, assembled by wise men for the edification of simple men. Therefore, don't get distracted by fables, fancy speeches, complex charts and squiggles, genealogy of angels, patterns or devices in nature or books but focus upon the majesty of Jesus Christ revealed to us by the teachings of the apostles.
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
The biblewheel is a cunningly devised fable. If it was not cunning then you would not be deceived by it would you?
If cunningly devised fables were not dangerous then Paul would not warn us to be alert for them now would he?
1 Tim 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
2 Tim 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
"the Bible Wheel" ?
Also, discuss Wheel with its founder.
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Posted 19 May 2008 - 08:38 PM
I have been busy lately and haven't had time to post. I hope I'll catch up. If anyone thinks that there is a question that I haven't answered, please post it.
Richard replies point-by-point to your questions and once again you ignore all of them. Then later you'll reappear claiming that your questions have never been answered. You choose instead once more to write a post that evades from the central questions.
Great job!
excubitor, on May 19 2008, 10:16 PM, said:
I am convinced that when people look at the huge body of work that Richard has assembled they are amazed and think Wow. There is SO much material it must be true. WHY? Why are people so easily led astray by masses of confusing symbols, graphs and charts. They can't understand half of it, but somehow the very fact that they don't understand confirms in their mind that it must be true because clever, intelligent men who are far cleverer and more educated than themselves have come up with it.
We should not be so easily deceived. Is the gospel only for clever and educated? Have the simple and uneducated no defence?
We should not be dazzled by clever looking men with charts, squiggly letters, an air of scholarism. Take scientists for example. They will write enormous documents about the development of an amoeba or something like that. They will show with their formulas, statistics and charts that the amoeba evolved in a puddle of scum. Of course not 1 in a million will understand what's been written. Perhaps even the scientist himself understands it. But nevertheless the vast majority of readers will assume that everything they read is true. This is a description of the almost complete gullibility of readers of complex mountainous works which are accompanied with charts and squiggly symbols.
Another example of the gullible believing what they don't understand is people who followed the soothsayers of ancient times.
The soothsayers of old boasted that they could see patterns in the entrails of geese, swirling tea leaves and in the flights of the birds. They were the "experts" with thousands of hours of research into such things so that they could know from these things what the will of the gods was. They preyed on the gullible selling readings for food and money.
Today we are no different, just a little more sophisticated. Instead of looking for patterns in the flights of the birds we look for patterns in the Bible and we laud those who master these patterns as "experts". The augerers of old had extraordinary detailed knowledge of the birds. They could tell by throwing pulse to chooks and by examining their behaviour what the will of the gods was. Occasionally they got lucky and their prognostications worked out by chance and happy coincidence. So everybody Oohh and Aaahhed about the incredible wisdom, knowledge and experience of the augerer. He then got a job in a rich household as the personal soothsayer of the rich man. Part of their skill was coming up with plausible excuses why their prognostications did not work out. The people believed because they were dazzled by the astonishing complex knowledge that the augerers had about the birds and their patterns and movements. The other reason they believed was because of the immense peer pressure. The majority of people believed the augerers. Thousands and millions of people believed. How could all those people be wrong? The key however is that the people accommodated the soothsayers errors and failings because he was telling them what they wanted to hear. That God supports them, god agrees with them.
In the case of the biblewheel it tells us what we want to hear. Yes of course God approves the protestant reformation and the culling of books out of the bible. Of course God exalts scripture above the sacred traditions of the church. Of course God has divinely inspired every last detail of the scriptures even down to the chapter and verse breaks. Of course God has divinely inspired the guru with advanced revelation that he gave to no other Christian prior. So therefore donate to Paypal, buy the ebook, request the guru's all expenses paid attendance at our church service.
What a sham. What a disgrace in the house of the Lord. How can any of us be a party to this fraudulent exploitation of the gospel?
I have shown that just because there is a pattern it does not mean that God speaks. I have shown that voluminous works with complex charts and squiggly writing are works of men which cannot be trusted. I have shown that gullible people believe ridiculous things that they don't understand because they WANT to believe it and because of the peer pressure of people around them.
Wise up people of God and learn about these devices that the enemy uses to draw people away from the true faith. Now that you understand the power of deception you are now equipped to deflect his wicked darts. Return again to the pure words of scripture, plainly spoken. Return again to the plain teachings of the church, assembled by wise men for the edification of simple men. Therefore, don't get distracted by fables, fancy speeches, complex charts and squiggles, genealogy of angels, patterns or devices in nature or books but focus upon the majesty of Jesus Christ revealed to us by the teachings of the apostles.
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
The biblewheel is a cunningly devised fable. If it was not cunning then you would not be deceived by it would you?
If cunningly devised fables were not dangerous then Paul would not warn us to be alert for them now would he?
1 Tim 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
2 Tim 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
We should not be so easily deceived. Is the gospel only for clever and educated? Have the simple and uneducated no defence?
We should not be dazzled by clever looking men with charts, squiggly letters, an air of scholarism. Take scientists for example. They will write enormous documents about the development of an amoeba or something like that. They will show with their formulas, statistics and charts that the amoeba evolved in a puddle of scum. Of course not 1 in a million will understand what's been written. Perhaps even the scientist himself understands it. But nevertheless the vast majority of readers will assume that everything they read is true. This is a description of the almost complete gullibility of readers of complex mountainous works which are accompanied with charts and squiggly symbols.
Another example of the gullible believing what they don't understand is people who followed the soothsayers of ancient times.
The soothsayers of old boasted that they could see patterns in the entrails of geese, swirling tea leaves and in the flights of the birds. They were the "experts" with thousands of hours of research into such things so that they could know from these things what the will of the gods was. They preyed on the gullible selling readings for food and money.
Today we are no different, just a little more sophisticated. Instead of looking for patterns in the flights of the birds we look for patterns in the Bible and we laud those who master these patterns as "experts". The augerers of old had extraordinary detailed knowledge of the birds. They could tell by throwing pulse to chooks and by examining their behaviour what the will of the gods was. Occasionally they got lucky and their prognostications worked out by chance and happy coincidence. So everybody Oohh and Aaahhed about the incredible wisdom, knowledge and experience of the augerer. He then got a job in a rich household as the personal soothsayer of the rich man. Part of their skill was coming up with plausible excuses why their prognostications did not work out. The people believed because they were dazzled by the astonishing complex knowledge that the augerers had about the birds and their patterns and movements. The other reason they believed was because of the immense peer pressure. The majority of people believed the augerers. Thousands and millions of people believed. How could all those people be wrong? The key however is that the people accommodated the soothsayers errors and failings because he was telling them what they wanted to hear. That God supports them, god agrees with them.
In the case of the biblewheel it tells us what we want to hear. Yes of course God approves the protestant reformation and the culling of books out of the bible. Of course God exalts scripture above the sacred traditions of the church. Of course God has divinely inspired every last detail of the scriptures even down to the chapter and verse breaks. Of course God has divinely inspired the guru with advanced revelation that he gave to no other Christian prior. So therefore donate to Paypal, buy the ebook, request the guru's all expenses paid attendance at our church service.
What a sham. What a disgrace in the house of the Lord. How can any of us be a party to this fraudulent exploitation of the gospel?
I have shown that just because there is a pattern it does not mean that God speaks. I have shown that voluminous works with complex charts and squiggly writing are works of men which cannot be trusted. I have shown that gullible people believe ridiculous things that they don't understand because they WANT to believe it and because of the peer pressure of people around them.
Wise up people of God and learn about these devices that the enemy uses to draw people away from the true faith. Now that you understand the power of deception you are now equipped to deflect his wicked darts. Return again to the pure words of scripture, plainly spoken. Return again to the plain teachings of the church, assembled by wise men for the edification of simple men. Therefore, don't get distracted by fables, fancy speeches, complex charts and squiggles, genealogy of angels, patterns or devices in nature or books but focus upon the majesty of Jesus Christ revealed to us by the teachings of the apostles.
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
The biblewheel is a cunningly devised fable. If it was not cunning then you would not be deceived by it would you?
If cunningly devised fables were not dangerous then Paul would not warn us to be alert for them now would he?
1 Tim 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
2 Tim 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Richard replies point-by-point to your questions and once again you ignore all of them. Then later you'll reappear claiming that your questions have never been answered. You choose instead once more to write a post that evades from the central questions.
Great job!
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Posted 19 May 2008 - 08:54 PM
i have been going over this topic but i have been keeping silent i take my time to read what the author of the bible wheel has been sharing to those who have a teach able spirit what puzzles me why mock a brother i see nothing wrong by a brother placeing out a bible wheel to guide christians i admit i am not that clued or smart as some hear are but i know one thing i have learnt a lot when it comes to the bible
i am doing things i never did when i was a sinner i always use to think i am not that bright until i grabed hold of the promisees layed out before me not once has the lord let me down or has he lead me astray
i see no harm when it comes to the bible wheel if exubitor is going to go out of his way to prove the aurthor wrong should not excubitor be going over what he holds so close to his heart al i hear is how right the catholic church is all i hear is we need to come back to the true church
not one posative word from excubitor
Richard victorius and shekel thank you for what you have put in this thread i get more in put from you guys then i do from excubitor
i have saved what i have found use full and i do come to this topic and take my time to go over what has been said
nowing excubitor he is going to leave me a long waste less post trying to tell me how foolish i am but i am my own man and i do use the brain god has given me
thank you very much Richard and victorius good to see brothers in the lord stadning up even when the are falsely accused you both have been a blessing to me by what you haver shared keep up the good work and dont let what excubitor says throw you off
god bless from damo
i am doing things i never did when i was a sinner i always use to think i am not that bright until i grabed hold of the promisees layed out before me not once has the lord let me down or has he lead me astray
i see no harm when it comes to the bible wheel if exubitor is going to go out of his way to prove the aurthor wrong should not excubitor be going over what he holds so close to his heart al i hear is how right the catholic church is all i hear is we need to come back to the true church
not one posative word from excubitor
Richard victorius and shekel thank you for what you have put in this thread i get more in put from you guys then i do from excubitor
i have saved what i have found use full and i do come to this topic and take my time to go over what has been said
nowing excubitor he is going to leave me a long waste less post trying to tell me how foolish i am but i am my own man and i do use the brain god has given me
thank you very much Richard and victorius good to see brothers in the lord stadning up even when the are falsely accused you both have been a blessing to me by what you haver shared keep up the good work and dont let what excubitor says throw you off
god bless from damo
This post has been edited by damo7: 19 May 2008 - 08:55 PM
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Posted 19 May 2008 - 08:57 PM
Victorius, on May 20 2008, 11:38 AM, said:
I have been busy lately and haven't had time to post. I hope I'll catch up. If anyone thinks that there is a question that I haven't answered, please post it.
Richard replies point-by-point to your questions and once again you ignore all of them. Then later you'll reappear claiming that your questions have never been answered. You choose instead once more to write a post that evades from the central questions.
Great job!
excubitor, on May 19 2008, 10:16 PM, said:
I am convinced that when people look at the huge body of work that
1 Tim 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
2 Tim 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
1 Tim 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
2 Tim 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Richard replies point-by-point to your questions and once again you ignore all of them. Then later you'll reappear claiming that your questions have never been answered. You choose instead once more to write a post that evades from the central questions.
Great job!
Yes there are many, many questions. There always are questions when men raise up fables.
How can one man answer ALL the questions.
What was the central question again?
Let me know and I will be happy to answer it.
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Posted 19 May 2008 - 10:08 PM
excubitor, on May 19 2008, 10:57 PM, said:
Victorius, on May 20 2008, 11:38 AM, said:
I have been busy lately and haven't had time to post. I hope I'll catch up. If anyone thinks that there is a question that I haven't answered, please post it.
Richard replies point-by-point to your questions and once again you ignore all of them. Then later you'll reappear claiming that your questions have never been answered. You choose instead once more to write a post that evades from the central questions.
Great job!
excubitor, on May 19 2008, 10:16 PM, said:
I am convinced that when people look at the huge body of work that
1 Tim 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
2 Tim 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
1 Tim 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
2 Tim 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Richard replies point-by-point to your questions and once again you ignore all of them. Then later you'll reappear claiming that your questions have never been answered. You choose instead once more to write a post that evades from the central questions.
Great job!
Yes there are many, many questions. There always are questions when men raise up fables.
How can one man answer ALL the questions.
What was the central question again?
Let me know and I will be happy to answer it.
Duh! Talk about obfuscation!
In all your posts on this thread, you avoided the very core and foundation of the Bible Wheel, which is the thematic correlation between the 22 Letters and the 66 Books. You have refuted NONE of the countless examples that were provided to prove that the Book Themes track with the meaning of the Hebrew Letters. Then on post #565 you finally managed to at least lay your little finger upon it by asking questions about Spoke 20. You said "please answer these questions or else I will be forced to conclude that you are a pot calling a kettle black and are in fact yourself running and hiding from these important questions." They were answered point by point. Now the onus in on you to clearly address the reply like a Christian debater.
But what do you choose to do? You willfully pretend that your questions have not been addressed. That's the center of the debate: is the Bible Wheel valid or not? When we really want to narrow the debate to this point, you evade Richard's arguments by ignoring them! Of course it doesn't mean that it is a "refutation" if you push the "Reply" button and intersperse a few words of yours with Richard's arguments. You need to take your time and reflect on each of the numerated points of his answer and see if they are correct or not. If they are incorrect, you need to clearly address the issue, show why it is not correct and expect a rational answer in response. If they are correct, it is your Christian duty to concede and make clear that they are correct.
But of course you won't do any of this, because it would be against your entire pattern of behaviour on this thread. You don't debate clearly. Up until now you still refuse to clearly answer my two numerated questions.
1. The following subsets of the 66 books of the Canon are valid ways of grouping the books into canonical divisions:
Torah (5 books)
OT History (12 books)
Wisdom (5 books)
Major Prophets (5 books)
Minor Prophets (12 books)
NT History (5 books)
NT Epistles (22 books)
Are they valid or not? If they are not, what is the error?
2. The Sevenfold Canon arises as a necessity when we group the books of Scripture using a single guiding principle presented as follows:
THE CATEGORICAL SYSTEM OF THE BIBLE
OT >
17 Books of History > 5 Torah + 12 History in Promised Land > 5 Torah + 9 Pre-exilic History + 3 Post-exilic History
5 Books of Wisdom
17 Books of Prophecy > 5 Major + 12 Minor Prophets > 5 Major + 9 Pre-exilic Minor Prophets + 3 Post-exilic Minor Prophets
NT >
5 Books of History > 4 Gospels + 1 Acts > 3 Synoptics + 1 John + 1 Acts
22 Epistles > 14 Pauline Epistles + 7 General Epistles + 1 Prophetic Epistle > 9 Eccl. + 4 Pastoral + 1 Heb + 7 General + 1 Prophetic
The divisions displayed on the Canon Wheel are highlighted red.
All seven divisions have one thing in common. They are the simplest and most inclusive divisions possible given that the Torah must be displayed as a separate category and that the corresponding division with the same structure should be displayed on the same level of categorization.
Is this reasoning correct or not? If not, why?OT >
17 Books of History > 5 Torah + 12 History in Promised Land > 5 Torah + 9 Pre-exilic History + 3 Post-exilic History
5 Books of Wisdom
17 Books of Prophecy > 5 Major + 12 Minor Prophets > 5 Major + 9 Pre-exilic Minor Prophets + 3 Post-exilic Minor Prophets
NT >
5 Books of History > 4 Gospels + 1 Acts > 3 Synoptics + 1 John + 1 Acts
22 Epistles > 14 Pauline Epistles + 7 General Epistles + 1 Prophetic Epistle > 9 Eccl. + 4 Pastoral + 1 Heb + 7 General + 1 Prophetic
The divisions displayed on the Canon Wheel are highlighted red.
All seven divisions have one thing in common. They are the simplest and most inclusive divisions possible given that the Torah must be displayed as a separate category and that the corresponding division with the same structure should be displayed on the same level of categorization.
Victor
This post has been edited by Victorius: 19 May 2008 - 10:10 PM
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Posted 19 May 2008 - 11:01 PM
Victorius, on May 20 2008, 01:08 PM, said:
excubitor, on May 19 2008, 10:57 PM, said:
Victorius, on May 20 2008, 11:38 AM, said:
I have been busy lately and haven't had time to post. I hope I'll catch up. If anyone thinks that there is a question that I haven't answered, please post it.
Richard replies point-by-point to your questions and once again you ignore all of them. Then later you'll reappear claiming that your questions have never been answered. You choose instead once more to write a post that evades from the central questions.
Great job!
excubitor, on May 19 2008, 10:16 PM, said:
I am convinced that when people look at the huge body of work that
1 Tim 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, [size=3]which minister questions[/size], rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
2 Tim 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
1 Tim 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, [size=3]which minister questions[/size], rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
2 Tim 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Richard replies point-by-point to your questions and once again you ignore all of them. Then later you'll reappear claiming that your questions have never been answered. You choose instead once more to write a post that evades from the central questions.
Great job!
Yes there are many, many questions. There always are questions when men raise up fables.
How can one man answer ALL the questions.
What was the central question again?
Let me know and I will be happy to answer it.
Duh! Talk about obfuscation!
In all your posts on this thread, you avoided the very core and foundation of the Bible Wheel, which is the thematic correlation between the 22 Letters and the 66 Books. You have refuted NONE of the countless examples that were provided to prove that the Book Themes track with the meaning of the Hebrew Letters. Then on post #565 you finally managed to at least lay your little finger upon it by asking questions about Spoke 20. You said "please answer these questions or else I will be forced to conclude that you are a pot calling a kettle black and are in fact yourself running and hiding from these important questions." They were answered point by point. Now the onus in on you to clearly address the reply like a Christian debater.
But what do you choose to do? You willfully pretend that your questions have not been addressed. That's the center of the debate: is the Bible Wheel valid or not? When we really want to narrow the debate to this point, you evade Richard's arguments by ignoring them! Of course it doesn't mean that it is a "refutation" if you push the "Reply" button and intersperse a few words of yours with Richard's arguments. You need to take your time and reflect on each of the numerated points of his answer and see if they are correct or not. If they are incorrect, you need to clearly address the issue, show why it is not correct and expect a rational answer in response. If they are correct, it is your Christian duty to concede and make clear that they are correct.
Its true that I have not yet responded to Richards points on spoke 20. What makes you think I am evading them? I have every intention of responding to them and will respond to them when I feel like it. If I feel like inserting an additional thought regarding the wheel in the mean time, then I'm going to do so.
To be honest Richards replies to my questions were barely worthy of response. Richards response had all the characteristics you described above "pushing the reply button and interspersing comments. You can hardly claim that richards responses were satisfactory answers to my questions.
Victorius, on May 20 2008, 01:08 PM, said:
But of course you won't do any of this, because it would be against your entire pattern of behaviour on this thread. You don't debate clearly. Up until now you still refuse to clearly answer my two numerated questions.
1. The following subsets of the 66 books of the Canon are valid ways of grouping the books into canonical divisions:
Torah (5 books)
OT History (12 books)
Wisdom (5 books)
Major Prophets (5 books)
Minor Prophets (12 books)
NT History (5 books)
NT Epistles (22 books)
Are they valid or not? If they are not, what is the error?
1. The following subsets of the 66 books of the Canon are valid ways of grouping the books into canonical divisions:
Torah (5 books)
OT History (12 books)
Wisdom (5 books)
Major Prophets (5 books)
Minor Prophets (12 books)
NT History (5 books)
NT Epistles (22 books)
Are they valid or not? If they are not, what is the error?
I have repeatedly answered and stated that YES they are valid groupings. I went on to point out that I can come up with equally valid groupings of the scripture into 8,9 or 10 divisions by mixing and matching the various groupings from various scholars. So why has Richard settled for a sevenfold division of the scripture rather than an 8 fold, 9 fold or 10 fold? BECAUSE 7 fold FITS IN WITH HIS WHEEL and 8, 9 and 10 do not. I have also pointed out that Richard is a pioneer of the division of the scripture into 7 and that there is NOT ONE other scholar who has arrived at a sevenfold division of the scripture. NOT ONE.
Why do you care anyway seeing that the sevenfold division IS NOT the foundation of the wheel.
2. The Sevenfold Canon arises as a necessity when we group the books of Scripture using a single guiding principle presented as follows:
[indent]THE CATEGORICAL SYSTEM OF THE BIBLE
OT >
17 Books of History > [color="#ff0000"]5 Torah[/color] + [color="#ff0000"]12 History in Promised Land[/color] > 5 Torah + 9 Pre-exilic History + 3 Post-exilic History
[color="#ff0000"]5 Books of Wisdom[/color]
17 Books of Prophecy > [color="#ff0000"]5 Major[/color] + [color="#ff0000"]12 Minor Prophets[/color] > 5 Major + 9 Pre-exilic Minor Prophets + 3 Post-exilic Minor Prophets
NT >
[color="#ff0000"]5 Books of History[/color] > 4 Gospels + 1 Acts > 3 Synoptics + 1 John + 1 Acts
[color="#ff0000"]22 Epistles[/color] > 14 Pauline Epistles + 7 General Epistles + 1 Prophetic Epistle > 9 Eccl. + 4 Pastoral + 1 Heb + 7 General + 1 Prophetic
The divisions displayed on the Canon Wheel are highlighted red.
All seven divisions have one thing in common. They are the simplest and most inclusive divisions possible given that the Torah must be displayed as a separate category and that the corresponding division with the same structure should be displayed on the same level of categorization.[/indent]Is this reasoning correct or not? If not, why?
Victor
That's a value judgement. If you are going to combine Acts with the gospels why not combine the major and minor prophets into one division. Plenty of scholars do that. That seems simple and inclusive to me. Woops though. That will break the Biblewheel. One of the slanty arms of the cross might fall off if you do that.
This post has been edited by excubitor: 19 May 2008 - 11:05 PM