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#13 User is offline   Shekel 

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Posted 10 October 2005 - 02:20 PM

While you have some good points, the most important point is very wrong. Jesus ministry was between 2 and 3.5 years in length. Very few scholars would contradict this minimum and maximum. To try to force the 490 as days (only) into this tight mould is incorrect.

Also this statement you made is false, or at least misleading (not judging your motive):

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Most people agree that according to three of the four canonized gospels, only one Passover is mentioned, and it can be concluded from these accounts that Jesus had a short ministry spanning at the most one year, beginning at His Baptism and ending with the Crucifixion.


This statement ignores the fourth "canonized gospel!" ---The one that is the most prophetic since it was written by the same author as the book of Revelation. We are talking about the book of John.

John mentions at least three Passovers which means that the synoptics simply didn't mention one or two!

John 2:13 (Jesus first journey to Jerusalem); John 6:4 (feeding of the 5000 where there was "much grass" [such as would be in the spring, not fall; also compare Mark 2:23 with 6:39 where obviously a full year had passed since we have changed from "fully ripened grain" to "green grass"]); and John 11:55 (the passion Passover).

But just as importantly, the rest of the bible clues us into the fact that His ministry was 3.5 years long, with yet another passover implied between John 2:13 and 6:4. (See John 4:35 and 5:1.)

(For arguments sake, it is possible that Jesus ministry was just 3 years, and the half-year is made up symbolically or literally by John the Baptist who was born a half-year before Jesus was.) And as far as I can determine, this is the conscensus of opinion --- (i.e., a two to 3.5-years span). Beside the gospel accounts, we have the two witnesses of Rev. 11 who, in agreement with Dan. 9 and 12 prophesy 1260 days and then are slain but then rise after 3.5 days. It is so obvious that their ministry is a shadow of Christ's own ministry that it is silly to argue otherwise. (The difference being that Christ preached the fruits of grace the other law like John the Baptist. The two witnesses are patterned after Moses and Elijah who in turn are a shadow and type of Jesus and John. Mark 9.)

Now, the 490 days is both days and years of same value intersecting one another. It is not that you are competely wrong, but that you have ommitted much of the glory of this prophecy! The 490 days does interwork with the 1260. As you know the 490 is divided up into 483 + 7 days. It happens that 770 + 490 = 1260 days as does 777 + 483. Thus, Christ's 1260-day ministry lasted 1260 days divided as 777 + 483, which then agrees with a lot of what you said, only you left out the most important and obvious parts!

Moreover, 1150 days (Dan. 8) from when Christ began His 1260-day ministry lands us upon the festival of lights/dedication (John 10:22), mentioned once in the bible and that in the book of John, which occured in the last year of His life, thus 110 days before Passover (Kislev 24/25 on the 360 calendar to Nisan 14/15th as per John and synoptics respectively). (1150 + 110 days = 1260 days.)

This is more than a remarkable concidence since the 1150 was initially fulfilled by Antiochus Ephephenes on Kislev 24/25, 165 BC in fulfillment of this very prophecy of Dan. 8 and the 1150 days (2300 evenings and morning), which is where the festival of lights/dedication has its origins!

How obvious does God have to make it!

So we have two very powerful points in time that prove that Christ began His ministry on Tabernacles (or at least John did) and ended 3.5 years (1260 days) later on Passover, with the first 1150 days landing on the feast of lights in fulfillment of Dan. 8 (as well as Dan. 9 and Dan. 10-12)!

More could be said, such as the clue given at the beginning of Jesus' ministry where He reminds us of the days of Elijah "where he shut up the heavens for 3.5 years." (Luke 4:25), as well as John 2:20 (46 + 3 more years = a jubilee of 7 x 7 from when Herod's temple was built and then destroyed symbolically in the body of Christ. "Destroy this temple and I will raise it up in three days." Thus three days, but with 3 more years of ministry too! See this passage in John to know what I am talking about.)

To this we add the fact that Christ began His 3-year (or 3.5-year) ministry at [B]30 [/B]years of age on the 30th jubilee from what should have been the first feast of Tabernacles (1445 BC), but unfortunately the Canaan-land entry was delayed another 39 years due to unbelief, just as Jerusalem and Herod's temple likewise perished one generation after Christ died, etc.

Once again we find ourselves arguing over one mountain than another only to find out that one was hidden from view from the other, but the prophet spoke of both simutaneously. This is as true numerically as it is narratively. We must come up higher to see that "Not one jot or tittle will by any means pass away from the law until all is fulfilled!"
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Posted 01 October 2007 - 11:49 AM

how does Shekel keep all of this stuff in his head?
and keep it straight?

it's a miracle!
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Posted 02 October 2007 - 05:34 PM

View Postdennis mann, on Oct 1 2007, 12:49 PM, said:

how does Shekel keep all of this stuff in his head?
and keep it straight?

it's a miracle!

I am anxiously awaiting Shekel's return. The stuff in his head stirs my heart and makes me hungry for more meat.
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