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Cruelty By The God Is this justifiable?

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Posted 13 March 2006 - 10:36 AM

No one seems to want to touch this issue, so i thought i would try to open a topic about it. Is the behaviour of the Christian God justifiable? Genocide of people, because they where not part?

This is the King James version, as i presume its the most popular. Whats your opinion, dont be afraid of giving negative critic about these religious issues, if you dont, you will never evolve.

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Deuteronomy 7
1.When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;

2.And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:

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Posted 13 March 2006 - 12:37 PM

I will answer you. It will take a bit of time to put it together for you. In the mean time, I am sure there are some that can also provide you with insight into the matter.
Its a good question and one worth asking.
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2Cor.3:18) But we all, with unveiled face beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, even as from the Lord the Spirit.
If your face is truly unveiled you will accept what happened at the cross and see by faith the finished work of Christ in the mirror. Only in this walk of faith are we “transformed into the same image”.
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Posted 13 March 2006 - 01:04 PM

We can look at Deuteronomy 7 8-10 first.
You see that God has a long history with all these people. He made them all.A long time ago He spoke to a guy named Abraham and made a covenant with him. To bless his seed. Abraham had something that was rare in those days and its rare in out day as well: faith. That capacity to believe something without asking for prove.
He just believed God and God said,I like you for that and will make a deal with you. I will bless your seed and make you great.
The other nations had the same opportunity to believe or not. The same chance to serve God or not. But if you go and look closely to their history, they chose not to.


9 Know therefore that the LORD your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commands. 10 But
those who hate him he will repay to their face by destruction;
he will not be slow to repay to their face those who hate him.

Well here you can see God's attitude and what He says about it. Its rather straight forward. As the whole issue about God and man revolves about relationship with Him, there are two choices Man can make.
God says : Choose Me and I will give you life.
Well the other option is also clear. We all will either live or die.
In the Old Testament, things were very black and white (the Bible teaches us that it was written in that way, to show us things in the spirit...in other words, we can look at the "pictures" of the Old Testament and learn how things work in our spiritual lives.....it was the shadow of things to come) you can see the truth in that because here we are today and things are repeating themselves . Now God is not just talking about nations, but He now confronts every person in the same way.
1.We can choose Him and live.
2. It still takes faith, like with Abraham
3.Some will say yes
4. Some will choose no
5. Some will live
6. Some will die.

As the issue is now in the New Testament as well it opens up as well. Now God is not talking anymore about just life, He is talking about eternal life or death.

But the only thing that is still the same is faith. God says: Without faith its impossible to please God (again its like Abraham)
The Bible says that faith comes by hearing, and hearing, by the Word of God.
You (and any person on this earth) will only get faith through the Word of God.

You see ALL flesh on this earth, find this a problem. Inside of us all , first rages a battle. We DON'T want to hear about God and His ways at all. It somehow threatens our very being. We try our best to avoid Him and want to argue Him away. Some succeed in doing this and they become like the nations in the verse you quoted.
Some people take a step in faith and accept the price that Jesus paid for them on the cross and bend the knee to Him and then you get to be like Abraham (and Israel his descendants) although they sometimes failed, He kept them, because of His covenant of love.
That is what I meant about running away from love. From His love.
Cornelius
2Cor.3:18) But we all, with unveiled face beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, even as from the Lord the Spirit.
If your face is truly unveiled you will accept what happened at the cross and see by faith the finished work of Christ in the mirror. Only in this walk of faith are we “transformed into the same image”.
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Posted 13 March 2006 - 01:17 PM

Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

1 Chronicles 28:3
But God said unto me, Thou shalt not build an house for my name, because thou hast been a man of war, and hast shed blood.

Job 5:20
In famine he shall redeem thee from death: and in war from the power of the sword

Psalm 46:9
He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire.

Psalm 120:7
I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war.

Ecclesiastes 3:8
A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

Ecclesiastes 8:8
There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.

Ecclesiastes 9:18
Wisdom is better than weapons of war: but one sinner destroyeth much good.

Song of Solomon 3:8
They all hold swords, being expert in war: every man hath his sword upon his thigh because of fear in the night.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Jeremiah 21:2
Enquire, I pray thee, of the LORD for us; for Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon maketh war against us; if so be that the LORD will deal with us according to all his wondrous works, that he may go up from us.

Jeremiah 21:4
Thus saith the LORD God of Israel; Behold, I will turn back the weapons of war that are in your hands, wherewith ye fight against the king of Babylon, and against the Chaldeans, which besiege you without the walls, and I will assemble them into the midst of this city.

Jeremiah 28:8
The prophets that have been before me and before thee of old prophesied both against many countries, and against great kingdoms, of war, and of evil, and of pestilence.

Micah 4:3
And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Matthew 24:6
And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Mark 13:7
And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.

Luke 21:9
But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

1 Corinthians 9:7
Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?

2 Corinthians 10:3
For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

2 Corinthians 10:4
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)

1 Timothy 1:18
This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;

2 Timothy 2:4
No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.


James 4:1
From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?

James 4:2
Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.

1 Peter 2:11
Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;

Revelation 11:7
And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Revelation 17:14
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Revelation 19:11
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Revelation 19:19
And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
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Posted 13 March 2006 - 01:20 PM

Pocket, on Mar 13 2006, 10:36 AM, said:

No one seems to want to touch this issue, so i thought i would try to open a topic about it. Is the behaviour of the Christian God justifiable? Genocide of people, because they where not part?

This is the King James version, as i presume its the most popular. Whats your opinion, dont be afraid of giving negative critic about these religious issues, if you dont, you will never evolve.

-Pocket

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Deuteronomy 7
1.When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;

2.And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:

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God is not cruel.

If you do not believe in God, then cruelty is from man.

If you say God is cruel then you believe there is a God and you are not an atheist; you are contradicting yourself.

If you believe in God and believe that he is cruel then your make yourself righteous over God and you claim that you can do better in providing for yourself and for fellow man. But try as you may the world is not a better place as war, famine, environmental destruction, division of class, social injustice are the ineptitude of man, so you cannot make the world better admitting you cannot undo what God has brought. But then you believe God is cruel, but there is no God as you say.

So, God is not cruel because there is no God.

But to the believer that there is a God and he is righteous and just and never cruel.

Again, God is not cruel.

Lesson, a person who believes in a God also believing God is cruel is an atheist.
Yes, God does not play dice, but man does

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Posted 13 March 2006 - 01:22 PM

Blessings Pocket!

OK, you have a wonderful peice of land all your own and your little children are playing in the yard. Your wife is under the shade of a tree watching over them and reading a Good Book....

A man enters the yard obviously to do them harm. He has all the trappings and war implements....lets just say that you know who he is and know what he always has done to others.

What do you do? It is a trick question. A Christian does what God says to do or it is sin.

You are first setting up your equation with the premise that death and the killing of another is not permissable. Murder is not permissable. Two different word in the original language. God never said "Thou shalt not kill". He said, "Thou shalt not murder." Murder is taking life without the instruction of God.

Ther is not questioning God.

leia
For My Word will not come back void.
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