Posted 09 February 2006 - 11:18 AM
There is so much to say!! Believe it or not, this discussion is a miracle. The truth, reserved for the people living in the end of days is being revealed before your eyes.
For those of you just joining this discussion of amazing truth, you can find many points made in agreement and disagreement for you to consider. Since this isn’t the first talk we’ve had about the Sabbath and whether or not the law is dead or alive, you can examine the record of the debate.
Please read and consider all that has been said under the topics entitled “What’s in a Name?”, “The Mark of the Beast” and “Is the Law Written in your Heart”. I hope these references will help.
During our talks about this, you might have noticed that I’m quite a pain sometimes! I seem to always be asking questions. Please understand that I ask them out of love for you, not to cause pain to your heart. Please also understand that very few of the questions I’ve posed in search of the truth have been answered.
Before I go further, I will make this suggestion for you to consider. If your point of view is correct and the will of the Father wont you be able to answer questions about it? Pray Him to supply you with the answers to questions. The consensus of many is there is no law or at least there is no Sabbath law. This day, created by the Creator Himself and observed during the very act of creation that gives the Father his authority to be the Law Maker, is dead. That’s right; the overall view among us is that the One who created us does not have the authority to give us law. We say His laws are dead. In so doing are we not saying He is dead?
Of course not, we can’t say that. How can we in good conscience say the Law is dead? If we do we must say the Law Giver is dead.
Here’s a suggestion. Let’s apply objective thinking to this question. For whatever reason, up until now only subjective thinking has been applied. You know this because you can read the record of this in your posts. Objective thinking is to look at all the scriptural evidence and weigh it to reach a conclusion. Subjective thinking is to form a conclusion and look for all the evidence that supports that conclusion while ignoring the much clearer, obvious evidence that opposes your conclusion.
Here are my questions for you. I beg you not to simply ignore them and then go back to repeating your subjective arguments. We’ve been doing this for weeks already. Please, I beg you, humor me. Love me by answering my questions.
Is the Law and the Law Giver dead? If the law is dead, where in scripture does it say so and who is saying it? I would suggest to you that there are only two possible sources that have any hope of having any authority to undo that which is done by the UNCHANGABLE ONE. Those would be, The Unchangeable One Himself, or His Son. The apostle Paul does not have the authority to alter the will of the Father. Please don’t misunderstand, there’s a much more simple and non-subjective interpretation of Paul’s statement regarding sabbaths. Here’s the answer to that famous line of scripture used so subjectively. There is more than one kind of Sabbath. One is Holy and made so by the Creator Himself, with His own Mouth, by His Own Finger. The other type of sabbaths are observances designed to explain and teach about what Jesus was going to do in the future. They were observed by Jews by the order of the Father prior to Christ’s first coming, in order to teach them about what was going to happen.
Here’s an illustration. The angel of death sent by the Father to kill the first born of Egypt as described in Exodus, was this angel stupid? Could not this angel discern between the first-born of Israel and the first born of Egypt? Why then would the blood of a lamb be needed on the doors to have death pass over the first-born of Israel? Could it be the angel knew exactly what he was doing, but the teaching aid of the blood of the lamb would point to the future? Could it be a teaching aid to show that the blood of the Lamb of God would be shed so that death would not come to the faithful? Of course this is true. We don’t need to observe the feast of the Passover now because Jesus fulfilled it. The teaching aid did it’s job and is no longer needed. We have the Messiah to look at directly now.
So, there are two kinds of Sabbaths. One is commanded in the Law by the Law giver and is holy. The others are teaching aids that are no longer needed. One is a Chevy truck, the other a Ford truck. It is right to call them both trucks as Paul did, but it is not right to consider them identical. Paul was talking about one kind of truck, the Creator was talking about the one HE ordained and created by His very act of creation, codified in the Law that is unchanging, written in stone by His own finger. We use subjective thinking to ignore this fact. Look at your bible. Mine is a New King James version. In all references to the weekly holy Sabbath, the word is capitalized. That is because it is holy. The references to feasts and observances like the pass over, where they are called sabbaths, the word sabbath is not capitalized. My spell check in Microsoft Word, is trying to capitalize the word Sabbath for me. Why I wonder would this word ever be capitalized in the first place? Could it be that things that are holy are capitalized?? Do we not capitalize Messiah for instance? Yes of course, you can be disingenuous and simply un-capitalize this in an effort to hang on to your subjective thinking if you like. At least in that instance you know by who’s hand the strong delusion has come.
Another question for you. What did Jesus say about lawlessness? Did He express an opinion? Should we trust the plain and simple words of the Messiah? Or should we try and find unclear scripture that can have multiple meanings, spoken by anyone else but the Messiah to support our subjective thinking?
Will the Messiah claim to know the lawless in the end? Are those in heaven those who seek to do the will of His Father in heaven? Is the Fathers will for you to ignore the law?
What is grace? Is it license to disobey? Do you love your children more when they disobey you? Is grace as our brother Adstar so aptly put it intended to take the sting of death out of the law so we don’t have to be afraid of it any more?
Isn’t the purpose of grace to allow The Son to take us by the hand and lead us to the law without fear of death? With grace, can’t we now touch the law and learn about it and try to obey yet fail without punishment? Isn’t the purpose of grace to allow us to try and ride the bicycle for the first time without fear that if we fall down even once that we will die? Doesn’t the Messiah want us to obey the law?
I’ll ask one more question then I will beg something of you. The question is about rest. Someone who I love dearly suggested that the Sabbath rest is intended for after the dawn. After Satan’s power over us has ended. Why would we need it then? Will there be any sinful men in heaven? Wasn’t it made for men? Don’t we need this rest and instruction now as we fight day in and day out against Satan? I was also asked by my beloved and precious sister why isn’t every day the Sabbath. Because we have sinned, we must earn our sustenance by the sweat of our brow. This was the curse we earned by our disobedience. If all we do is earn money every minute of every day, where is the rest we need to consider something other than money or sustenance? If you have been blessed with the ability to put away work and consider nothing but the things of the Father every single day, you are truly blessed. You are given permission to be selfless every single day if you wish. You are not given permission to be selfish every single day of the week.
Here’s what I beg of you brother Dean. I beg you this, in the name of the Son of Man. Go back to your computer and your bible code study. Search for the truth about the Sabbath. Ask the master of all the mathematicians who have ever tried to add, what the answer is to the Sabbath.
When you receive your answer, bow down and worship Him who made the heavens the earth, the sea and all that is within them. Beg forgiveness from He who is the Word Made Flesh for your sin of the willful defilement of that which is holy. By grace, your sin of disobedience to the Law will be forgiven.
Offer thanks and praise to the Author of All Wisdom that the essence of His Seal of the Faithful for the end of days has been revealed to you.
This I beg of you brother Dean, in the name of my Master, Yahushúa.
"Fear Yahúweh and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgement has come;and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and the springs of water." Babylon will fall, that great city of Rome (spiritual Babylon) because she has made all the nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark IN his forehead or IN his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of Yahúweh, which is poured-out unmingled into the cup of His indignation. Come out of the great harlot My people, lest you share in her sins, lest you receive of her plagues. Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of Yahúweh and the faith of the Messiah.