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Posted 15 December 2008 - 08:28 PM

View PostBananna, on Dec 15 2008, 06:26 PM, said:

Okay what I'm trying to determine is how the bible wheel is relevant, helpful and biblical. More to the relevant side though.

Since the bible wheel in no way has yet been explained in a way that adds any new revelation, I'm wondering is this just an alternate tool some use or is it used as an additional tool for gleaning information? It has been a while since I've read about it but the thing I keep coming up with is that I don't see the point when the information can be gleaned by other means.

Hey there Bananna,

Those are excellent questions. The Bible Wheel is nothing but a way to look at the Bible. It is derived from Scripture and Scritpure alone. You can read a basic introduction in the free online version of Chapter 1 of the Bible Wheel book. Here is a synopsis:

The primary thing to understand about the Bible Wheel is the simplicity of its origin. It emerges when we do nothing but take the list of the Sixty-Six Books and roll it up like a scroll on a spindle Wheel of Twenty-Two Spokes, corresponding to the Twenty-Two Letters of the Hebrew Alphabet. That is all there is to it. Everything else in this study follows from that single and surprisingly simple act.

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When we "roll up" the Bible in this way, we find the Bible Wheel:


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The Wheel reveals a correlation between three books with each other and one of the Hebrew letters. The Hebrew letters have meanings defined by God in the Alphabetic Verses (e.g. Psalm 119). When we study the correlations on each Spoke, we find patterns that give great insight into the Divine Design and Supernatural Unity of the Holy Bible.

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 09:27 PM

View PostShekel, on Apr 6 2008, 10:19 AM, said:

View Postchrio39, on Apr 5 2008, 08:35 PM, said:

In the 1st article that you gave a link to they note that the book of Isaiah has 66 books, and a quote from a writer that speaks of the uniqueness of the book in that it gives the history of God with his people as well as prophecy of his future work with his people, especially in chapters 40 and 53. There are 66 books in the bible, in both testaments. Isaiah deals with all of God's dealings with man. 66 is 3 times 22.

We all know that God is triune - Father, Son & Spirit, as well as man - body, soul & spirit - the number 3. 22 - number of Hebrew alphabet characters, and chapters of the book of Revelation.

Also, a side thought. In Psalm 22 David prophesied of Jesus in vs 14 "I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint"

Though the old and new testaments are separated (out of joint), they are yet connected.



There are other interesting things that give credence to the basic concept of the bible wheel (although taken into the hugely subjective) is that the very middle of the wheel, that is the middle of the seven sections, is the book of Lamentations (the 25th book of the bible, but middle of the seven sections). I thought check this out because I figured the middle should be significant if there was something to it. (The middle of seven is usually significant.) This middle section of the major prophets has Lamentations as its unusual middle book because it was put after Jeremiah since he wrote it. (Unusual in that it appear to not be prophetic but it is!) When I realized that it was Lamentations at the middle I immediately remembered that the verse at the middle of that book was distinctive, set there on purpose. The book has 5 chapters, and chapter 3:1 the middle is where it suddenly and unexpectedly becomes prophetic in that all the suffering of Jerusalem is personified in Jesus, "I am the man who has seen affliction by the rod of his wrath!"

The book of Lamentation is like a mini bible wheel. It is made up of 5 acrostics where each verse begins with a letter of the alphabet beginning with aleph ("A" to "Z" if it were in our language.) This is just like the bible wheel. The first of the 5 acrostics is 66 verses long, the next is 66, then 66 (laid out differently, see next) then 44 then 22.

(22 x 3 lines long) + (22 x 3 lines long) + (66 x 1 line long) + (22 x 2 lines long) + (22 x 1 lines long) = 264 Hebrew lines of text with Lam. 3:1 at the middle as the 133rd line, beginning with "Aleph" (Alpha). "Ani ha-geber", "I AM the Man!" (and the middle of the 5th section is the word "man" {eish}, last word of the 33rd line), and the last word of this 3rd section in Lamentation is the word "YHWH". The total of the 264 lines obviously reflects the fact that this makes 22 x 12 lines of Hebrew text, one for every tribe of Israel, which is the theme of the book.

So 5 acrostics of Jeremiah located in the middle of the 5 major prophets, which is in the middle of the seven sections of the canon of the bible, with the canon being laid out in three sections of 22 letters (66). Now that is not a coincidence, but a sign of God's great sovereignty. So I have no doubt in the basic premise of the bible wheel. It is just when all the gematria is added to try to tie in individual spokes that I have a problem. It then becomes far too subjective.


The Timing of When the Wheel Was Discovered

The very morning that this person discovered the bible wheel is on a day and year and hour (May 12th, 1995) that if I had to try to come up with a more perfect hour for such a discovery to be made I could not have! And this person is unaware of it because it is something the Lord revealed to me about the bible calendar back around that time and he makes no mention of its significance anywhere on his site as far as I can see, other than to say that on that date he had a flash of revelation from God that the canon was to be wound up like one scroll. On the 360 calendar, that day was the morning of the 3rd month, the 8th day, 3440 years (430 x 8 years) after Mount Sinai in the middle of the seven days of the convenant given to Moses on Mount Sinai at the time of the exodus--- exactly to the hour. (This is when the bible first began to be given to man as we know it.) See "Jubilee-exodus-chart-bible-prophecy."

The revelation of the bible wheel even occurred on the morning that it was discovered (May 12, 1995), something that I make clear in the above document as significant (written year ago), that is, that the seven days that Moses received the covenant had to have begun at the very start (evening) of the 5th day (3rd month), which is the start of Pentecost as per Jewish tradition, thus making 3.5 days later the morning of the 8th day, and the exact middle of the week that the covenant was made, including the giving of the 10 commandments. The cycles of 430 years are fundamental to the entire numeric fabric of the bible. (They were 430 years in Egypt, another 430 x 2 until the fall of Jerusalem in 586 BC, etc., etc. 430 x 3 = 1290 of Daniel 12.) See Daniel 9 about the covenant and "to seal up vision and prophecy".

So I personally have no doubt about the validity of this discovery about the canon of Scripture on several levels of reasoning. It is just that there are many examples of forcing things on the level of trying to unit the "spokes" on the wheel. The basic pattern fits. But uniting verse to verse by the wheel does not seem to me to be the purpose of the wheel, and most examples given to try to prove such are forced.



I have never heard of the "bible wheel". Thanks for the information. I will study it more
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Posted 15 December 2008 - 10:49 PM

View PostBibleWheel, on Dec 15 2008, 12:00 PM, said:

View PostBananna, on Dec 15 2008, 05:21 AM, said:

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View PostBananna, on Dec 14 2008, 04:31 PM, said:

Thank you Ann,
However the relevance to righteousness being a spoke on the wheel would be something I'm missing on this one.

Why the wheel as apposed to a simple pictorial chart.
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Hi Bananna,

I'm not sure I get your point in comparing the Bible Wheel to a pictorial chart, but I will try to answer you.

A pictorial chart would be designed and constructed by the author who created it. The same holds true for the Bible Wheel.....it shows the design and patterns of the Bible, put there by its author and designer....God.


Ann


The original Hebrew was written in pictographs.
Each letter of the Hebrew already has a meaning, If you have a copy of the Hebrew version of Matthew's gospel we may be able to go through it and compare what the bible wheel reveals complaired to simply knowing the meaning of the pictographic underlying meanings of the words and numbers.

example
http://hebrew4christ...pictograms.html

119:137
Tzade = is a man on his side - desire or need is the implication

Rightous God [is]

Tzade= man on side desire /need
Dalet = Tent door/ pathway
yud = arm and hand/work /deed
Kuf = sun on horizon/behind

Righteous = the desire to path in [good] deeds before us

Matthew in Hebrew has been available on line for a few years now a copy was made from a private library.

Tzedekah is good deeds.

My point is that if one takes the meaning of righteousness literally it is an act of doing good deeds. Is this how the biblewheel uses the term righteousness?
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Hi Bananna,

Upon reviewing your post, I noticed that I didn't fully answer it. Your interpretation of "righteousness" as a "word picture" in which the meaning of the word coheres with the meaning of the letters is precisely how I interpret Hebrew too. For example, the word "Father" is spelt with the first two letters, Aleph and Bet, which carry the meanings of "Leader" and "House." Thus, the meaning of Father in Hebrew is "Leader of the House." It also seems significant that this is the first Hebrew word (in an alphabetical sense) just as God the Father is the first Person of the Trinity. I talk about this in an article calle God the Father.

The meaning of "Av" (Father) then links to the themes of Spoke 1 (Aleph) of the Bible Wheel where we find Abram (Exalt Father) is given a new name Abraham (Father of a multitude). Furthermore, this theme is unique to Spoke 1 in as much as the promise given in Genesiss 17:4-5 is repeated only in Romans 4:17-18. Thus, God's promise to Abraham that he would be the "father of many nations" forms a unique link between the first and the third books on Spoke 1. I call this a "KeyLink." The really amazing thing is that the IDEA forming the basis of the unique link on Spoke 1 is itself based on the meaning of the corresponding letter Aleph. Thus we see a profound integration of the design of the Bible, the pattern of the Hebrew Alphabet, the meaning of the letters and the words they form, and all of this links directly to the Triune nature of the Godhead. There really is no end to the wonder revealed here.

There is much more to say. I look forward to your questions.

Richard


Thanks
Now the choice of the books to the spokes has what comparison. Sure it fits with one set of cannon but will it fit with more widely used collections of books? The reason I ask is that the bible divisions are different in Hebrew.
1 & 2 kings is really one book
and so are Chronicles and Samuel.

I would expect to see them line up with letters of two sounds.
Then books like the Revelation I would expect to line up with Aleph Tav.
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Posted 16 December 2008 - 12:24 AM

View PostBananna, on Dec 15 2008, 10:49 PM, said:

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Now the choice of the books to the spokes has what comparison. Sure it fits with one set of cannon but will it fit with more widely used collections of books? The reason I ask is that the bible divisions are different in Hebrew.
1 & 2 kings is really one book
and so are Chronicles and Samuel.

I would expect to see them line up with letters of two sounds.
Then books like the Revelation I would expect to line up with Aleph Tav.

The Bible Wheel is, by definition, a representation of the traditional 66-book Christian canon. Other patterns, such as the traditional Jewish pattern of the Tanakh or the Catholic pattern that includes the apocrypha, are very interesting and worthy of much discussion, but they do not directly impact the conclusions drawn from the Bible Wheel because they are different objects.

As for the double books corresponding to the double letters, that does not really make sense if you begin by denying they really are "double books." What I mean is that by asserting that 1 & 2 Samuel is "really" one book, you have denied it is a "double book" so I don't see any reason to think it should correspond to a "double letter."

As for your comment that you would expect Revelation to line up with "Aleph Tav." That is very close to what we see - Revelation aligns with Tav on Spoke 22, and this is very significant. But there is no way for a single book to align with two letters, since each letter aligns with a single Spoke, and each book is on a single Spoke.

It is important to begin this study without any such preconceptions. The Bible Wheel is what we find if we simple "roll up"the traditional list of 66 books on a spindle wheel of 22 Spokes corresponding to the 22 Hebrew letters. No assumptions are made about "how" the books should line up. All the conclusions then follow by observation, not assumption.

Have you read the basic introductory material, such as Chapter 1 of the Bible Wheel book? Does it make sense? Do you have any questions about it?

Richard

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 09:07 AM

View Postexcubitor, on Dec 13 2008, 07:38 AM, said:

View PostVictorius, on Dec 13 2008, 11:16 AM, said:

View Postexcubitor, on Dec 12 2008, 06:42 PM, said:

Is it just me? I can't see any correlation between the A's B's and C's. Nor can I see anything significant about the X.
Not that I am ideologically opposed to Psalm 104 having a chiastic structure that mirrors the menorah. In fact I don't give a rats uncle whether it does or not. Its just that I can't see it.


Here's your typical modus operandi, as I have documented numerous times on this thread (see, for example, posts #515 and #572 out of many). You submerge and then reappear as if nothing had happened. I wrote many detailed posts directed at you. You ignore my comprehensive refutation of all your arguments and suddenly pop up to make a comment about an off-topic minuteness as if I wasn't addressing your person. Given your record, this behaviour was obviously expected.

You're right. I should have ignored this post as well. Sorry


Thanks for admitting your lack of common basic fundamental elementary Christian courtesy. I write a dozen back-to back posts personally directed at you, and you ignore each and everyone of them. Then when I discuss a side issue with a poster who had a question about a secondary issue, you show up acting like my posts directed at you don't exist. Such a display of Christian love!

It is much more comfortable to just ignore everything, isn't it? I hope you examine your conscience and can achieve some self-awareness so that at least in your heart you can conclude that you never follow a step-by-step discussion on any of the fundamental points of the Bible Wheel. You only offer erratic comments that evade the main issues. You disappear and reappear. You don't even aknowledge when I address a point. Then you show up later saying that I never addressed it. I pray to the Lord that you can be honest to yourself. I'm also still waiting for your response on several questions that you promised you would answer but never did. You said in no uncertain terms that you would reply and that I should not 'whine' about your evasion when I called you on your lack of response.

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Posted 02 March 2009 - 09:27 AM

View PostBibleWheel, on Dec 16 2008, 12:24 AM, said:

View PostBananna, on Dec 15 2008, 10:49 PM, said:

Thanks
Now the choice of the books to the spokes has what comparison. Sure it fits with one set of cannon but will it fit with more widely used collections of books? The reason I ask is that the bible divisions are different in Hebrew.
1 & 2 kings is really one book
and so are Chronicles and Samuel.

I would expect to see them line up with letters of two sounds.
Then books like the Revelation I would expect to line up with Aleph Tav.

The Bible Wheel is, by definition, a representation of the traditional 66-book Christian canon. Other patterns, such as the traditional Jewish pattern of the Tanakh or the Catholic pattern that includes the apocrypha, are very interesting and worthy of much discussion, but they do not directly impact the conclusions drawn from the Bible Wheel because they are different objects.

As for the double books corresponding to the double letters, that does not really make sense if you begin by denying they really are "double books." What I mean is that by asserting that 1 & 2 Samuel is "really" one book, you have denied it is a "double book" so I don't see any reason to think it should correspond to a "double letter."

As for your comment that you would expect Revelation to line up with "Aleph Tav." That is very close to what we see - Revelation aligns with Tav on Spoke 22, and this is very significant. But there is no way for a single book to align with two letters, since each letter aligns with a single Spoke, and each book is on a single Spoke.

It is important to begin this study without any such preconceptions. The Bible Wheel is what we find if we simple "roll up"the traditional list of 66 books on a spindle wheel of 22 Spokes corresponding to the 22 Hebrew letters. No assumptions are made about "how" the books should line up. All the conclusions then follow by observation, not assumption.

Have you read the basic introductory material, such as Chapter 1 of the Bible Wheel book? Does it make sense? Do you have any questions about it?

Richard




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