[Prophet]

Heaven is defined by " the sky with all things visible in it." Where clouds and tempest form.

God defined heaven as His throne where He who is Spirit sits.

Where is the scripture that says that anyone is going to Heaven?

[Dr. No]

us2are1, on Sep 13 2009, 02:11 AM, said:

Heaven is defined by " the sky with all things visible in it." Where clouds and tempest form.

God defined heaven as His throne where He who is Spirit sits.

Where is the scripture that says that anyone is going to Heaven?

Check out the Book of Matthew,,,,

It's full of,, If you don't do this, or that, or if you do this or that, You will or wont enter the kingdom of heaven.


You can take it as you will, but, even in the end, when there's a new heaven and a new earth,, there shall be no more curse,,,,

You can derive from all the verses, that the Kingdom of heaven is Heaven.

[Prophet]

Dr. No, on Sep 13 2009, 01:29 AM, said:

us2are1, on Sep 13 2009, 02:11 AM, said:

Heaven is defined by " the sky with all things visible in it." Where clouds and tempest form.

God defined heaven as His throne where He who is Spirit sits.

Where is the scripture that says that anyone is going to Heaven?

Check out the Book of Matthew,,,,

It's full of,, If you don't do this, or that, or if you do this or that, You will or wont enter the kingdom of heaven.


You can take it as you will, but, even in the end, when there's a new heaven and a new earth,, there shall be no more curse,,,,

You can derive from all the verses, that the Kingdom of heaven is Heaven.

Kingdom of heaven in Matthew and Kingdom of God in Mark but also with the understanding that the kingdom of heaven and God is ruled by heaven but in fact is on earth. Like in this following scripture.

Matthew 25
31 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy messengers with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.

Matthew 13
40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
41 The Son of Man will send out His messengers, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

Matthew 11
12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.

[Prophet]

us2are1, on Sep 13 2009, 02:06 AM, said:

Dr. No, on Sep 13 2009, 01:29 AM, said:

us2are1, on Sep 13 2009, 02:11 AM, said:

Heaven is defined by " the sky with all things visible in it." Where clouds and tempest form.

God defined heaven as His throne where He who is Spirit sits.

Where is the scripture that says that anyone is going to Heaven?

Check out the Book of Matthew,,,,

It's full of,, If you don't do this, or that, or if you do this or that, You will or wont enter the kingdom of heaven.


You can take it as you will, but, even in the end, when there's a new heaven and a new earth,, there shall be no more curse,,,,

You can derive from all the verses, that the Kingdom of heaven is Heaven.

Kingdom of heaven in Matthew and Kingdom of God in Mark but also with the understanding that the kingdom of heaven and God is ruled by heaven but in fact is on earth. Like in this following scripture.

Matthew 25
31 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy messengers with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.

Matthew 13
40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
41 The Son of Man will send out His messengers, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

Matthew 11
12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.

49 Heaven is My throne, And earth is My footstool. What house will you build for Me? says the Lord, Or what is the place of My rest?

22 And he who swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God and by Him who sits on it.

34 But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God's throne;

24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

[dgbygrace]

<sup>Luke 23

42</sup>And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

⁴³And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.


^{John 18:
33}Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?



³⁴Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?

³⁵Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?

³⁶Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. ³⁷Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.


^{John 14:
1}Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.



²In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. ³And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

[Prophet]

dgbygrace, on Sep 13 2009, 07:11 AM, said:

<sup>Luke 23

42</sup>And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

⁴³And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.


^{John 18:
33}Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?



³⁴Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?

³⁵Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?

³⁶Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. ³⁷Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.


^{John 14:
1}Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.



²In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. ³And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Where is the scripture that tell about anyone going to heaven, either when they die or when the Lord returns?

The thief on the cross in Luke is disputed by Matthew who was an eye witness. It is also apparent that the thief died that day and was not resurrected back to life with Christ three days later making Luke's statement untrue. Christ did not die and go to heaven He was resurrected back to Life and ascended into the sky.